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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by future9er24

Not to mention adjustability. The ability to adjust things like toe and camber will also greatly aid the cornering ability of this car. This will allow further customization and tweaking that the enthusiast (or SVT) could do.

After driving multiple SRA and IRS equipped cars through the terribly paved areas I live in, I can safely say that most people will be very appreciative of the fact that when an IRS equipped car's right wheel dips into a pothole, the whole rear of the car isn't bucked around.

It doesn't even matter if you don't care about comfort, its about stability. When the whole car is bouncing around because the wheels cannot act independently of one another even things like driver input are altered. You can not give as precise of steering or throttle input when you are being tossed around inside the car. Combined with the various directions of force being applied on the car itself and the possibility of losing traction when the car is jarred so hard the wheel comes off the ground, the situation can escalate very quickly.
Any many of us normal guys will have a?ot of trouble bringin the car back in line when things get too wild. Give us IRS and we can all be Michael Schumaker!!!
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 03:37 PM
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Some of us buy mustangs for a completely different than most in this thread. You guys want a refined, state of the art European type sports car for $35k. In other words, no damm fun. I want a badass scary thrill ride. I want too much power for the rear end to ever hold straight. Straight American muscle growl, pin me to the seat and blast those rear tires on command. The mustang has NEVER been refined. Learn how to drive or buy German.

If you don't get it, you shouldn't own one.
End of rant.
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 03:42 PM
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I personally have never met a Mustang that was a badass scary thrill ride. They've always been controlable to me but Arin is dead on with his assessment. If you want badass scary get a last gen viper and you will be driving home like your pants were on fire. That car will bit and bite hard if you aren't careful. I drove one and tht thing would get tail happy instantly.

But point taken Al. Some like it shaken not stirred. I doubt the IRS will water down the car if that's what you fear. Just my .02
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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I personally have never met a Mustang that was a badass scary thrill ride. They've always been controlable to me but Arin is dead on with his assessment. If you want badass scary get a last gen viper and you will be driving home like your pants were on fire. That car will bit and bite hard if you aren't careful. I drove one and tht thing would get tail happy instantly.

But point taken Al. Some like it shaken not stirred. I doubt the IRS will water down the car if that's what you fear. Just my .02
That's what I'm saying. I own a 600hp terminator that is not even drivable without drag radials. It's a full on thrill ride. Plus it's set up well so she corners and brakes great. I'm just slowly seeing the fun factor disappear. The 05+ is just not as fun to drive personally. Now a SN197 Shelby would be the only thing close to as fun but also require a set of DR's if you really want to enjoy the power. I just don't see a need for the IRS on a stock GT mustang.
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:04 PM
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I see what you are saying. I'm still in the IRS camp. Is your termi still IRS?
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Some of us buy mustangs for a completely different than most in this thread. You guys want a refined, state of the art European type sports car for $35k. In other words, no damm fun. I want a badass scary thrill ride. I want too much power for the rear end to ever hold straight. Straight American muscle growl, pin me to the seat and blast those rear tires on command. The mustang has NEVER been refined. Learn how to drive or buy German.

If you don't get it, you shouldn't own one.
End of rant.
The Germans build more ridiculous, overpowered, uncontrollable thrill rides than any other country. Maybe you own the wrong car
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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I see what you are saying. I'm still in the IRS camp. Is your termi still IRS?
Yeah it's still IRS. I'm just not ready to jump on the bandwagon for the new body. The new body just does a great job with SRA.
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by future9er24

The Germans build more ridiculous, overpowered, uncontrollable thrill rides than any other country. Maybe you own the wrong car
Nah. I just can't afford them.
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Some of us buy mustangs for a completely different than most in this thread. You guys want a refined, state of the art European type sports car for $35k. In other words, no damm fun. I want a badass scary thrill ride. I want too much power for the rear end to ever hold straight. Straight American muscle growl, pin me to the seat and blast those rear tires on command. The mustang has NEVER been refined. Learn how to drive or buy German.

If you don't get it, you shouldn't own one.
End of rant.
"Shouldn't own one"???

You come off like a complete and utter jerk to everyone who doesn't share YOUR definition of what a Mustang SHOULD be.

Most Mustangs are V6 automatics sold to people who just want a decent looking car to drive to work and back. And selling all those is what allows Ford the economies of scale to make the GT, Boss, GT500. Let's not pretend like we're selling top fuel dragsters here.
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jedikd

"Shouldn't own one"???

You come off like a complete and utter jerk to everyone who doesn't share YOUR definition of what a Mustang SHOULD be. .
Yeah I'm ok with this.





Actually it was a bit of an exaggeration to get a point across. If they sissy up the next mustang then they sissy it up. It will probably handle better and be more boring. Nothing a supercharger can't fix.
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Some of us buy mustangs for a completely different than most in this thread. You guys want a refined, state of the art European type sports car for $35k. In other words, no damm fun.
Not sure why/how you equate handling excellence to no fun. Having driven an E46 M3 extensively, I can assure you that despite its handling excellence, it is extremely fun and in no stretch of the imagination numb, dull or anything less than thrilling when shown the whip.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra
I want a badass scary thrill ride. I want too much power for the rear end to ever hold straight. Straight American muscle growl, pin me to the seat and blast those rear tires on command.
Install a set of bald, bias-ply 185/90-14 Sears Mileage Masters and your handling excellence problems will be quickly and cheaply solved. Add some blown out shocks if you wish to dial the thrills up to 11.

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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Now a S-197 Shelby would be the only thing close to as fun but also require a set of DR's if you really want to enjoy the power. I just don't see a need for the IRS on a stock GT mustang.
Actually I dont have as much fun with my Shelby as equipped with a set of 305/45R18 NT05Rs now. I enjoyed the 285/40R18 BFG KDWs better precisely because they lacked the traction of the the NT05Rs, with the BFG's I found I could rotate the tail of the car easier which allowed me to hustle the car around tight turns faster, the NT05Rs exacberate the understeer of the car by a good margin and since they are designed for drag racing they are really only good in a smooth straight line.

At VIR they certainly were fun but elsewhere those drag radials killed it in short order.

Originally Posted by CCTking
Any many of us normal guys will have a?ot of trouble bringin the car back in line when things get too wild. Give us IRS and we can all be Michael Schumaker!!!
Dont fool yourself, when the **** hits the fan, even an IRS won't be that much help - IRS or SRA, experience is what will be the deciding factor.

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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 10:38 AM
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I keep hearing the 5.8 v8 wont fit in the upcoming design. If so that will prompt me to trade my 11 GT500 for a 2013. Anyone have more info?
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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I keep hearing the 5.8 v8 wont fit in the upcoming design. If so that will prompt me to trade my 11 GT500 for a 2013. Anyone have more info?
Where are you hearing this from?
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fjm1235
I keep hearing the 5.8 v8 wont fit in the upcoming design. If so that will prompt me to trade my 11 GT500 for a 2013. Anyone have more info?
Don't know for sure, but there is no guarantee the 5.8 will be around next gen.

If you know you want that motor, get a 13 or 14 gt500 now imo
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
Where are you hearing this from?
Interent conjecture, just like people are praying to the almighty that the next GT500 will have a twin turbo ecoboost V8
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bob

Interent conjecture, just like people are praying to the almighty that the next GT500 will have a twin turbo ecoboost V8
I'm not praying for that
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 11SHELBYGT500
I'm not praying for that
Same here, somebody somewhere posted up a good reason for keeping the 5.8 S/C - its very linear response goes well with the tall gearing favored by the current GT500 and would work well in a similar scenario going forward.

IMO another plus to the supercharged powerplant is packaging and heat management although the penalty is about 100 or so HP to drive it
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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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How about if Ford keeps the SRA on the base models and IRS on track-pack models? They could make IRS an option package. Just need to figure out how to make the frame mounting areas interchangable between the 2.

If they went with the IRS for all cars, it'd be nice if they offered the SRA as a "drag-pack" option. Complete w/ manual windows, AC delete and option for radio delete.
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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by UOP Shadow
How about if Ford keeps the SRA on the base models and IRS on track-pack models? They could make IRS an option package. Just need to figure out how to make the frame mounting areas interchangable between the 2.

If they went with the IRS for all cars, it'd be nice if they offered the SRA as a "drag-pack" option. Complete w/ manual windows, AC delete and option for radio delete.
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