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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicul15
no i dont see anything..
im guessing you might have figured it out already, call the vendor who sold it to you or ford racing. apparently a few vouchers were not placed with the directions. ask how i know....
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 02:43 PM
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I wanted to order the Trackcal (I have a 13) but I already have a Procal tuner, they wont sell you the tune unless you get it with the Procal tuner.

Until that is changed I guess im out.
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by devilcaninex
I wanted to order the Trackcal (I have a 13) but I already have a Procal tuner, they wont sell you the tune unless you get it with the Procal tuner.

Until that is changed I guess im out.
typesredline also mentioned this a few pages ago. Perhaps the software is serialized to the tuner, or my guess, the tuner itself holds your backup (stock) tune in non-volatile memory and only has room for one tune.
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by devilcaninex
I wanted to order the Trackcal (I have a 13) but I already have a Procal tuner, they wont sell you the tune unless you get it with the Procal tuner. Until that is changed I guess im out.
Originally Posted by berzerk_1980
typesredline also mentioned this a few pages ago. Perhaps the software is serialized to the tuner, or my guess, the tuner itself holds your backup (stock) tune in non-volatile memory and only has room for one tune.
Yes I too had this question. I asked FR why I couldn't just get both cals loaded on one tuner (procal). I was thinking along the lines of a COBB tuner for example, that you plug into your PC and load several tunes to swap in and out via the cars obdii.

This is not how the procal works however as I have learned. The procal does not hook into the PC. It gets the cal (tune) via memory card.

So I started thinking ok, why can't I just swap memory cards with one procal?

Answer. The memory card is a one time use. Once you load the first time, the cal goes on the procal itself (in addition to the stock cal) and the memory card is rendered blank.

Why doesn't the procal just come with the cal already on it? Because the way the process is set up, it has to pull the stock cal, then reads for memory card (during first time use). After that, you can go back and forth between stock and performance cals all day.

But if you were to let's say put in the track cal memory card in the procal already being used with the performance cal, (if it would even let you bc I think the procal interface only has the initial set up opt the first time). You would permanently lose the other cal. It would be theoretically overwritten on the procal and also no longer on the original memory card.

This is why FR said I would need two procal's. One with the performance cal. And one with the track cal. Then before you switched between them, you would have to return to stock via the correct procal.

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That being said, lol. My question to FR was based on thinking that the track cal was more different than it ended up being. I thought the track cal, in addition to launch control and lopey idle, had more aggressive engine braking, throttle response, etc.

It turns out that it is literally the original performance cal along with lopey idle and launch control.

For me personally, having a 13MY, I don't want to control those two items on the steering wheel cruise control buttons. And based on the reviews so far (being very rough, even in a good way) would probably keep the lopey idel off 98% of the time anyway. So I'm saving $100+ and sticking with the OG performance cal.

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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:50 PM
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Four hours at the dealer today and they failed to get the track key working. Ford Racing says the computer download is a Ford or Dealer issue. The Dealer says they don't know why the track key prompt in the sequence is missing.
Ford Motor tech line failed to return the dealers call for help.
What a mess. Hope they can get it to work Friday.
And mine arrived without instructions and the dealer had to download them.
Try and use a dealer that has installed Boss keys in the past so they have the knowledge. I did not ask and my dealer had never done a track key.
Tomorrow another track day for me without the key. At least the car is running.

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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Hemmingsen
Is there a difference between the ford racing tune and the ford racing track cal tune? Assuming it's just the lumpy idle and fan temp changes?
If you are referring to the old $299 tune compared to the just released $399 traccal tune.
The performance part of the tune is the same but you get added features.
Lopey idle which you can turn off
Pit Lane speed
And my favorite
Launch control
You can select a Rev limited rpm
For launching the car.
Example set to 3000 push clutch input gas pedal to the floor and the rpms stay at 3000 rpm. If you are into drag racing this is usually called a 2step
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by todcp
Four hours at the dealer today and they failed to get the track key working. Ford Racing says the computer download is a Ford or Dealer issue. The Dealer says they don't know why the track key prompt in the sequence is missing.
Ford Motor tech line failed to return the dealers call for help.
What a mess. Hope they can get it to work Friday.
And mine arrived without instructions and the dealer had to download them.
Try and use a dealer that has installed Boss keys in the past so they have the knowledge. I did not ask and my dealer had never done a track key.
Tomorrow another track day for me without the key. At least the car is running.
made an appointment with the dealer for install yesterday. told them what it was said to come on in at 2:30. got there and they looked at me like i was crazy had to call ford racing, then told me to come back in the morning. dealer did say that the system tends to bog down in the afternoon, oh yeah? why did they even bother making an appointment with me?!

got an appointment for tomorrow morning with another dealer. i hope this gets it done.
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
I thought the track cal, in addition to launch control and lopey idle, had more aggressive engine braking, throttle response, etc.

It turns out that it is literally the original performance cal along with lopey idle and launch control.
TiVCT, engine braking, ignition timing, wide-open throttle mapping, accelerator pedal map, idle speed and throttle response are all still listed as features of the TracKey/Track Cal. If TracKey/Track Cal is the same as the performance cal plus lopey idle and launch control, they must have always been features of the performance cal, no?
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 07:30 PM
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Anyone else had an issue with their install or just my dealers tech?
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GHIG50
If you are referring to the old $299 tune compared to the just released $399 traccal tune.
The performance part of the tune is the same but you get added features.
Lopey idle which you can turn off
Pit Lane speed
And my favorite
Launch control
You can select a Rev limited rpm
For launching the car.
Example set to 3000 push clutch input gas pedal to the floor and the rpms stay at 3000 rpm. If you are into drag racing this is usually called a 2step
What buttons do you use to turn Lopey idle on and off?
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by berzerk_1980
TiVCT, engine braking, ignition timing, wide-open throttle mapping, accelerator pedal map, idle speed and throttle response are all still listed as features of the TracKey/Track Cal. If TracKey/Track Cal is the same as the performance cal plus lopey idle and launch control, they must have always been features of the performance cal, no?
Yes. Those items were always part of the performance cal.
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Old Jun 19, 2014 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 14Glassback
What buttons do you use to turn Lopey idle on and off?
With a 14MY I think it's all done on the track apps screen.

For the 13MY, you have to hold down the cruise control "on" button for a few seconds. The tach needle swings to the redline and it's set...the next time you start the car. Same process to turn it off.

Launch requires similar. Hold down the + button for cruise accel. Needle swings then holds at the launch rpm. You use + and - to adjust and hit "on" when done.

Not positive since it's been a few days since I looked at the instructions. But it's along those line. Aka a pain in the butt IMO.
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by todcp
Anyone else had an issue with their install or just my dealers tech?
The program is finally installed. The Ford computer system was not picking up my cars identification information so the Ford dealer computer was not getting the 'track key" menu to appear. The dealer was told to clear my cars brain and install without using the vehicle identification part of the program.
All is good. My dealer only charged me 100 dollars even though it ended up being almost five hours and a 24 hour wait for help from the FMC computer techs.

By the way. The lopey idle is hilarious fun. My hole car shakes like my brothers 69 Z28 used to.

Only a few miles at this point but compared to my ProCal tune; Throttle tip in is quicker and smoother. The car spits and pops more on deceleration. The lopey idle is much more pronounced.
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by todcp
The program is finally installed. The Ford computer system was not picking up my cars identification information so the Ford dealer computer was not getting the 'track key" menu to appear. The dealer was told to clear my cars brain and install without using the vehicle identification part of the program.
All is good. My dealer only charged me 100 dollars even though it ended up being almost five hours and a 24 hour wait for help from the FMC computer techs.

By the way. The lopey idle is hilarious fun. My hole car shakes like my brothers 69 Z28 used to.

Only a few miles at this point but compared to my ProCal tune; Throttle tip in is quicker and smoother. The car spits and pops more on deceleration. The lopey idle is much more pronounced.
lucky you, i spent 10 hours at the dealer today to be told there was a server problem after multiple attempts. back i go again tomorrow.
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by todcp
The program is finally installed. The Ford computer system was not picking up my cars identification information so the Ford dealer computer was not getting the 'track key" menu to appear. The dealer was told to clear my cars brain and install without using the vehicle identification part of the program. All is good. My dealer only charged me 100 dollars even though it ended up being almost five hours and a 24 hour wait for help from the FMC computer techs. By the way. The lopey idle is hilarious fun. My hole car shakes like my brothers 69 Z28 used to. Only a few miles at this point but compared to my ProCal tune; Throttle tip in is quicker and smoother. The car spits and pops more on deceleration. The lopey idle is much more pronounced.
Interesting. Other than how the throttle feels, how does power feel? The same?

I'd also like your opinion on the track cal IF it did NOT include the lopey idle, 2 step, etc features. Is the "tune" part itself a worthy upgrade over the performance cal? I was under the impression that they were identical, but it appears not, unless your "feeling" things.

Basically wondering since you seem to be the first with both. If I were to never use the lopey idle or 2 step, is the extra cost still worth it over the old performance cal.

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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 06:45 PM
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lucky you, i spent 10 hours at the dealer today to be told there was a server problem after multiple attempts. back i go again tomorrow.
Wow, 0 for 2 with two different dealers?! Hope 3's a charm. I'd ask for some sort of discount on install for sure.
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 06:57 PM
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Wow reading about how tough a time some guys are having in getting this done, im going to wait a few months before getting mine done. I plan on getting the Roush phase one S/C middle of next year, i wonder if this track key tune will need to be removed to make room for the Roush tune? Or will it conflict in any way with eachother?
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
Wow, 0 for 2 with two different dealers?! Hope 3's a charm. I'd ask for some sort of discount on install for sure.
yeah I'm quite frustrated. keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 08:06 PM
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Wow reading about how tough a time some guys are having in getting this done, im going to wait a few months before getting mine done. I plan on getting the Roush phase one S/C middle of next year, i wonder if this track key tune will need to be removed to make room for the Roush tune? Or will it conflict in any way with eachother?
won't be able to use the track key with a blower. if you are going that route you'd probably be better off saving your cash.
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by solscooter
won't be able to use the track key with a blower. if you are going that route you'd probably be better off saving your cash.
Cool thanks! I geuss no track key for me:-(
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