Yeah for one reason or another the cals are the only ones with reported ac issues. Even though the tune is the same as the key, there is still one difference. The delivery system (procal vs a separate key).

I'm glad the tune is working great. But until a fix is implemented, odds are that you will get a code for cats. I'm very interested in what FRPP comes up with as a fix. From what I've learned about lopey idle, they would either have to lessen it a lot (I think I remember a boss owner saying that the lopey on his gt is MUCH more than his boss, which could explain the lack of boss key owners with cat issues). Or remove it entirely.

 

Thanks Mike and Ray.
Glad you guys are here and addressing customer concerns.

 

Odds are I don't know if I will see a CEL.
We do not know how many 2014.5 GT's have Trackey or how many of that group have seen a CEL related to the Trackey.
Without those numbers it is impossible to calculate odds one way or the other.

 

Thanks guys, good to know FR is on the job. If you need anymore info just let us know.

 

~Mike and Ray, Thanks for chiming in and helping out. I work in the custom auto industry and I believe we may have a friend/customer in common separate from this concern, and I do believe we have spoken recently about him, but not about this. ..I will check my notes at the shop tomorrow and figure out which of you I spoke with, if not possibly both.

Looks like I'm not immune... I have the Track Cal on my 2014. P0420 and P0430 on the first road trip and it was day 2 of having the tune.

Codes didn't come back until after 4 days, so I thought it was just a fluke. Codes seem to come back every day now, especially when on a long drive. CEL has illuminated about 4-5 times now over the last 1500 miles on various road trips, with all types of driving, severe and mild mountains, freeway, in town. Seems to happen most when cruising, not when on the throttle hard. Codes are always the same.

My biggest concern now is I do hear detonation when rolling into the throttle or going up a steep, long hill, (With the CEL on or off there is no difference, and I've also turned on and off the Octane Adjust, and no difference there) The power is not as good as the first few days of having the tune either.

I was very impressed initially, now it seems to be degrading and I do fear that the cats are injured and possibly plugging up. I will be visiting the dealer soon regarding this. I sure hope this tune gets the attention and fix it deserves, and quickly. Many people including myself wont be too happy if they determine it's the lopey idle, resulting in the fix being lessening or disabling the lope. That was the part that sold me the most about this tune.

Being that not everyone is having the problem, I wonder is this a case of a batch of borderline/weak cats from Ford, or is the tune actually to blame? I guess time will tell and partly I knew I/we could be a guinea pig on this one.

Crossing my fingers in hopes of resolution.

 

I say odds are you will simply because within the forum world, there have been dozens of these issues arise. Also because outside of the forum world, dealers are claiming the same observation. Also the FACT that lopey idle causes cat issues.

It's not like all of the people with these codes have them for some other reason unrelated to the key/cal. And it's not a one off, the tuned are the same and codes have popped while sitting idle and driving hwy. So I like your optimism, but yeah, it'll probably happen.

 

Make that 3 cals now. ODDS are getting stronger .

Kelley, the detonation is most likely caused from octane dropping. The octane adj doesn't always solve this. A catch can will. I don't think the cats dying would cause a power drop or detonation. And if it also happens when cel is off, that would further point away from cats. However, knock from octane dropping could cause power loss.

 

The CEL illuminates during cruise because that's when the PCM runs the catalyst efficiency test. It requires 10-20 seconds of steady RPM along with some other conditions to be met.

On a narrowband O2 car it's easy to determine if the cats are working by comparing the graphs of the upstream and downstream O2 sensors in closed loop. Not as easy on the 5.0 since it uses wideband O2s upstream.

The only way to know for sure is to flash back to the stock tune. If I have time in the next couple days I'm gonna try this. Whether or not the codes re-appear on the stock tune will tell us if the cats were damaged or the codes are just false positives.

 

Last week when I got the P219B code for the air/fuel ratio, I decided to try something. I've been wanting to take my sound tube off so I tried it to see if a little bit more air would help. I reset the code last Tuesday when I took the sound tube off. I've been driving it a couple hundred miles and on Friday I did a few minutes of idling, to show off the lopey idle, and no light so far. The CES wad coming on every 3 days and shutting off the lopey idle. I checked this morning and the codes are in there pending but hasn't come on yet and hasn't turned off the lopey idle.

 

Sounds like a great test. Even so though, if they are indeed false positives. Isn't that kind of a pain to reset things every couple of days?

That being said, I do think someone one here got the cel again even while running the stock key. Which would imply that the cel does not represent simply a bad mixture but in fact, damaged cats right?

 

Not sure how allowing unfiltered, unmetered air would "help" or tell you anything. All you've done is render your MAF signal inaccurate/useless to the PCM.

Not necessarily. The Track Key "stock" tune may not be the exact tune that was on your PCM originally. It might be a FR version of the stock tune. I think the only way to test for sure is with the Track Cal, since the ProCal tool legitimately copies your original tune and allows you to flash back to it.

 

Again I am at odds with your methodology. Let's let it die.

Your comment on the oil separator (catch can) is a good one.
It would be interesting to know who is and is not using one.

A quick survey might be helpful.
It would be great if all Trackey and Track Cal users will take a minute to
copy, paste, edit, and post their information.

I'll start.

Year: 2014.5
Trackey or Track Cal: Trackey
Mileage Since Install: ~50
Trackey Usage %: 100
Lopey Idle Active %: 100
Fuel Octane: 91
Octane Adjust: No
Using Included K&N Filter: Yes
Air Conditioner Issues: No
Engine Pinging: Yes, Minor, First Drive Cycle ~5 Miles
CEL?: No
CEL Code(s): N/A
Mileage Between Install and First CEL: N/A
Catch Can Installed: Yes
Catch Can Right / Left / Both: Right
Catch Can Brand: JLT
City / Highway Percentage: 85 City, 15 HWY
Other Mods: GT500 Mufflers
Additional Comments:




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So wait...you pulled the sound tube and didn't plug the hole?! Or at least put a filter over it?

Sounds like a bad idea...

 

Good point. It is possible that the stock key isn't really the original stock tune while the procal copy would be. Still do the test for sure. Unfortunately I'm not very optimistic.

 

That is an excellent questionnaire. Covers pretty much everything.

I want to clarify on your pinging. I interpret that as meaning during the first few miles you had some and zero since? I'm wondering if this is just the PCM learning curve, the 91 octane, or the JLT not being very efficient. Either way I guess that if it went away that's a good sign.

I'm hoping that with me using 93 and having a bobs, pinging won't happen at all, even initially.

 

I put the PVC cap over the hole.

 

I've got the CEL issue with Trackey. I do not have a separator at all on the car. I have cleared the codes and gotten it back on stock tune using stock key. Ford diagnosed cats as the issue.

 

Year: 2013
Trackey or Track Cal: Track Cal
Mileage Since Install: ~900
Trackey Usage %: 100
Lopey Idle Active %: 85
Fuel Octane: 93
Octane Adjust: No
Using Included K&N Filter: No
Air Conditioner Issues: Yes
Engine Pinging: No
CEL?: YES
CEL Code(s): P0420, P0430
Milage Between Install and First CEL: ~850
Catch Can Installed: No
Catch Can Right / Left / Both: N/A
Catch Can Brand: N/A
City / Highway Percentage: 50 City, 50 HWY
Other Mods: GT500 Mufflers
Additional Comments:

 

Correct only heard faint pinging a couple of times after the install driving the loop I did with my Service Advisor.
Have not heard it since.

No 93 octane here in Colorado. We only have 91 or Race Gas $$$ at the track.

 

Thanks Mike