Hopefully more time changes your opinion. Not feeling any extra power on this tune is concerning.

 

This is SUPER concerning. I've had tune software update before and I lost cold ac on another car. This hasn't been reported before though. Have you called FR?

 

On the way home from work yesterday my check engine light came on....running normal key. Stopped at gas station and restarted, light still on. This morning drove to work and light still on. Took it to the dealer this afternoon and BOTH CATS ARE BAD. I was told I am NOT the only Trackey car with this problem they have seen......

Cats are on back order.....

 

Holy crap!

 

WOWOWOWOW!

Not good. Obviously they will get it worked out, I mean it FR. And obviously the cats are covered. But this isn't good. Because what are they going to do? Send everyone back to the dealer to have the key reflashed/cal reloaded?

Just when I started liking the idea of lopey idle and 2 step. For now I'm back on board with the original performance cal.

 

I asked this EXACT question in one of these threads - the ghost cam tunes in all the other aftermarket tunes require a cat delete. I don't understand how the FRPP tune doesn't - and now I see why. I wonder if you could get away with a high flow catted mid pipe, or if you really need a catless mid pipe - if you can do a HF mid pipe, I'll just do that and get the Track Key. If not, I'm going with an AED dyno tune and going catless

 

I asked a similar question on the track cal thread.

"Does anyone know what FR is doing to the tune to make is lope like that? I assume that they'd be messing with cam angles and spark timing.

Any reason to believe that over time, this could be bad for the motor and/or internal components? Also would you say it shakes enough to have a negative effect on interior components?"

I guess they thought delaying the lopey until the cats heated up would be sufficient. Odd though that the tested this track tune for a year and didn't see this issue. At this point it seems like there will be a revision needed, maybe excluding the lopey idle. FR being warrantied, can't promote HF cats or catless.

I'm definitely not pulling the trigger on the track cal now, but I also don't want to pull it on the OG procal if there is potiential of a track cal with no lopey.

 

I'd imagine that if you went catless, then the cats couldn't go bad right? Lol. Still might have to worry about the a/c issue though.

Just wondering, if you are willing to go catless with an AED tune. Why not just go catless with the track key?

 

Lopey idle vibration damaging things. No way. This shaking is extremely minor compared the vibrations and knocking around a car sees every day of its life just driving down the road.
It will be interesting to see if the lopey idle is the cause of cats failing. Seems unlikely that FR would not know the impact of the tune on something as easy to monitor as the exhaust coming into the cats.

 

Because I know the AED tune will make more power and not have the issues the stupid FRPP tune is lol. If I'm going to do it, may as well go all out. Warranty be dammned!

 

I guess, lol.

 

Good to know. People were saying things like "this thing shakes the hell out of the car" so I wasn't sure how extreme it was lol.

And based on the timing of what happened, what the dealer said about it, and the aftermarket ghost cam tune requirements. It unfortunately seems like it is.

 

I'm sure Ford Racing will figure this out. Let's not forget there are many Boss 302s are out there with the TracKey, lopey idle, and fully functioning catalytic converters.

 

Shacking of the car is not an issue. Ever had a race car from the 70's 80's. Big loopy cams and shook the hell out of the car and you. LOl Glad i was not one of the ones on the Bleeding edge of this. Hope to see the issue get taken care of as soon as possible.

 

Good point. However keep in mind that this tune was built from scratch and there were 1000's of parameters changed. Very easily something could have been missed. I'd like to think qa would be better at FRPP but hey. They will fix it no doubt.

Also keep in mind what the dealer said about seeing it before. It's possible that many boss track key folks had this issue but it was just never reported on any forums.

 

If the tune is causing the cats to fail, then the lopey idle is causing the engine to run way too rich.

 

It needs to be said: Thanks to everyone who had the guts to do this first. You are doing us squeamish types a great service. And yes, godspeed getting it fixed.

 

Could explain the gas consumption. Granted people in sure get on it more. But with the performance cal, people always observed a net gain in mpg's.

I have a lot of experience tuning imports. And my thoughts on lopey idle would be to advance cam angle, retard ignition, and PULL fuel trim however.

Any word on your a/c?

 

i haven't had much of a chance to get in it

 

seems the lopey idle might be causing the issue w/ the cats. the exhaust has a different smell if it had sat at idle for a minute or two, like the cats are really working to scrub the exhaust fumes (almost like a new car you've just beat the hell out of). the solution for the time being has been to pull the battery to reset the computer.............or so I've read on this so far.