Brembo Package...aaargh ! !
10/7/10, 09:59 AM
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Disagree. If you're going for look, that's about all they gain. Cross-drilled are prone to stress cracks on the holes themselves if you're not casting them that way, and slotted will chew up pads pretty quick. I used to think the same way, but after some research, it proved that blank rotors work just fine 99% of the time.
10/7/10, 11:33 AM
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Yea, I hear a lot of mixed reviews on it... due to that reason. But to my understanding if the holes are drilled right, they dont crack. If they bevile the edge, like using a counter sink drill bit, they dont crack.. But, most cheap CD rotors aren't like that. So if Ford does it properly they'll provide better performance and yes, a better cosmetic. They will, depending on how hard one takes have brake pads that wear faster- however they'll wear more even
Everyone has an opinion on it tho. Which either supports or lessens the other ideas out there.
Upgrading to ceramic would be optimal.
Everyone has an opinion on it tho. Which either supports or lessens the other ideas out there.
Upgrading to ceramic would be optimal.
10/9/10, 11:41 AM
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No opinions, just facts. Those brakes you posted are Ferrari, and they're cast like that. If it didn't make a difference going cast or drilling, they wouldn't have spent all the extra money to have them made that way. Once metal has been cast, drilling/slotting of any kind weakens the structural integrity of the rotor...period. Same reason you don't chew ice. Microfractures leading up to cracks.
10/10/10, 12:03 PM
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No opinions, just facts. Those brakes you posted are Ferrari, and they're cast like that. If it didn't make a difference going cast or drilling, they wouldn't have spent all the extra money to have them made that way. Once metal has been cast, drilling/slotting of any kind weakens the structural integrity of the rotor...period. Same reason you don't chew ice. Microfractures leading up to cracks.
I said everyone has their own pros and cons to CD vs Flat Disc vs Slotted.
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10/11/10, 07:26 PM
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10/11/10, 10:09 PM
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This debate comes up all the time on all kinds of forums for all kinds of cars.
Fact: You generally never see drilled rotors on road race cars (those that pound the hell out of brakes). The last time I did, one exploded (WTCC race in Morocco a few weeks ago). The holes not only weaken the rotor structure they take swept area from the pads and lessen the mass of the rotor (which is what helps dissipates heat).
Supercars aren't using the same kind of rotors we are even when they are running steel brakes. Forget carbon-ceramic that's like comparing an '82 Escort to a World Rally Car. And don't forget that the "supercars" that use steel brakes that are drilled.... well they have massive brakes, and much better weight distribution too so the work load on the fronts is not as high as say... on our cars.
Fact: You generally never see drilled rotors on road race cars (those that pound the hell out of brakes). The last time I did, one exploded (WTCC race in Morocco a few weeks ago). The holes not only weaken the rotor structure they take swept area from the pads and lessen the mass of the rotor (which is what helps dissipates heat).
Supercars aren't using the same kind of rotors we are even when they are running steel brakes. Forget carbon-ceramic that's like comparing an '82 Escort to a World Rally Car. And don't forget that the "supercars" that use steel brakes that are drilled.... well they have massive brakes, and much better weight distribution too so the work load on the fronts is not as high as say... on our cars.
12/29/10, 03:00 PM
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This debate comes up all the time on all kinds of forums for all kinds of cars.
Fact: You generally never see drilled rotors on road race cars (those that pound the hell out of brakes). The last time I did, one exploded (WTCC race in Morocco a few weeks ago). The holes not only weaken the rotor structure they take swept area from the pads and lessen the mass of the rotor (which is what helps dissipates heat).
Supercars aren't using the same kind of rotors we are even when they are running steel brakes. Forget carbon-ceramic that's like comparing an '82 Escort to a World Rally Car. And don't forget that the "supercars" that use steel brakes that are drilled.... well they have massive brakes, and much better weight distribution too so the work load on the fronts is not as high as say... on our cars.
Fact: You generally never see drilled rotors on road race cars (those that pound the hell out of brakes). The last time I did, one exploded (WTCC race in Morocco a few weeks ago). The holes not only weaken the rotor structure they take swept area from the pads and lessen the mass of the rotor (which is what helps dissipates heat).
Supercars aren't using the same kind of rotors we are even when they are running steel brakes. Forget carbon-ceramic that's like comparing an '82 Escort to a World Rally Car. And don't forget that the "supercars" that use steel brakes that are drilled.... well they have massive brakes, and much better weight distribution too so the work load on the fronts is not as high as say... on our cars.
The people debating are usually only driving in the mountains, or around town and want bigger "blingier" looking brakes.
You won't find slotted or cross drilled rotors on people's cars that actually put them on track. The cheap ones are a liability, and you go through rotors and pads way too quickly for the nice ones to be fiscally worth it.
Not to mention the technological issues as to why cross-drilling and slotting started aren't nearly as much of a concern any longer with modern brake pad compounds.
12/30/10, 09:23 AM
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The brembo's look a 100 times better. your gonna put some nice wheel on and see a mini brake caliper. plus the rears are black too. i love the brembo wheels. main reason i bought the package. $1600 u would be lucky to get the brembo set up under 1600, plus u get awesome wheels
12/30/10, 10:14 AM
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OK, I'm with Sam on this... To paraphrase; most people who track their cars will be modding for better performance than the Brembo package provides, so unless you're competing in events where stock equipment is required (such as Sam), this package is a waste. Yes, you can sell the original parts for more money than the standard brakes, wheels and dampers, but only marginally more, and you'll never recoup what you spent on them.
I have a set of basically new take-off Brembos, which I purchased for $500 (calipers, rotors, shields and lines); Brembos just aren't worth as much as they used to be, particularly in the used market, as they're becoming much more common. Now I won't ever track my car, but my driving style and the beautiful (mostly secluded) roads that I travel frequently make it so that I prefer to have near track-like performance on my street car, hence, the Brembos. I will likewise upgrade my suspension, wheels, tires and tune (as well as some cosmetics), so that in the end, I will have spent a negligible amount more than the Brembo package and have a measurable amount of additional performance.
Of course, for those who aren't into tracking and/or modding and just want the 'top-dog' performance package (on the medium-dog model) for bragging rights, that's all good too.
I have a set of basically new take-off Brembos, which I purchased for $500 (calipers, rotors, shields and lines); Brembos just aren't worth as much as they used to be, particularly in the used market, as they're becoming much more common. Now I won't ever track my car, but my driving style and the beautiful (mostly secluded) roads that I travel frequently make it so that I prefer to have near track-like performance on my street car, hence, the Brembos. I will likewise upgrade my suspension, wheels, tires and tune (as well as some cosmetics), so that in the end, I will have spent a negligible amount more than the Brembo package and have a measurable amount of additional performance.
Of course, for those who aren't into tracking and/or modding and just want the 'top-dog' performance package (on the medium-dog model) for bragging rights, that's all good too.
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12/30/10, 07:05 PM
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