AMWill

jmaStang,

Thanks for pointing this out! I didn't realize this information was listed under the Specs tab for the InTune. I think our Web Team published this info directly from DS by mistake. Good news is I already notified the right people about the mistake and it's being pulled from the site tonight! It should be gone by 8-9pm EST.

I'll follow up with this tomorrow to make sure everything is cleared up. We don't want anything misleading or unestablished on our Product Pages!

Thanks again for shedding light on this!

Shane

typesredline

What are you smoking dude? Newbie stuff!? Hahahaha whatever man...

typesredline

That's fine CVH. If Matt is an asset great. But his tone was arrogant. His more recent post is much more humble. As far as knowledge, being a high level programmer is different that knowing how to tune an engine. You're talking about understanding code vs understanding engine parameters. Programming expert also isn't a credential for knowing how a tune works and what can and/or cannot be pulled by the dealer. Sure as a programmer he would know how to right over things that a dealer could see. But that's not something an avg person can do.

So I will try to explain again. The PCM has a separate section in its memory that is triggered to store data when certain parameters have been changed. Ford checks this file which unless someone has Matt hack the PCM and erase, the tuner can not access. Diablo is marketing that it doesn't leave a mark but that's not exactly what it's doing. It simple doesn't allow for any of the "triggering" parameters to be changed. Of they said this it could be viewed as inferior to SCT so instead they say what they do.

Yes when you plug in the first time it pulls stock data to the tuner. Then when you return it to stock it puts it all back overwriting everything touched. But that doesn't erase the log that things were changed. The SCT tuner risks these things changing and then being logged. The InTune does not. That is the difference sir.

typesredline

Matt I never said I know it all. Please find that quote. I was no more if that as arrogant as you were in that specific post. And engine building is not irrelevant to the point I was making of understanding the tune, tuner, and PCM relationship.

Anyway, regarding your snarky question. Since I only dabble in SQL and other coding languages. 0x7A4 and 0x7AC could mean a lot of things. It is a hexadecimal based number. Could be a registry key like a TID or memory location. It could also be a range, like a range of memory...

jp1seattle

The reality is that the whole "can the dealer tell" thing will always remain an issue of content. The myth is becoming bigger than Bigfoot.

They have the same arguments over on the Subaru forums I checked out back when I had a WRX.

As far as the DiabloSport goes, I had one for a short time. I'll admit that the whole "no footprint" claim was a small factor in my decision, but after reading the DiabloSport forums and trying to figure out a good tune to put on my car, I ended up selling it and getting an SCT. Keep in mind this was BEFORE Bama offered Intune support so it was basically Diablosport canned tune or nothing.

For me personally, I think that if you are going to tune your car or modify it in any way, you should be prepared to possibly deal with any fallout that might arise from it. That said, I got a Steeda tune and haven't looked back. If I did anything else requiring a tune, I would go AED and be done with that. I definitely won't worry about if the dealer can tell if I tuned my car or not.

zeroaviation

I'm bowing out before this turns into a flame war

(For the record 0x7A4 is a module address)

lmao! Love it!

-Matt (Yea, the Matt that worked with Doug at Bamachips)

2011 Kona Blue

Well heck, I'm all confused. I don't know $hit about programing or codes and I'll be the first too admit that. So, does my Sct leave a tune trace with a dealership on my 11 mustang if I return it back to stock? I was under the impression the answer was yes the dealer can tell.

Ajcruz1

^^This and I think someone with a tune that was installed with a InTune should return there car to stock and go to the dealer and ask if they can plug in and see if there was ever a tune! Lol

zeroaviation

No. If you return it to stock first, you are good to go.

lol... And let us know! Sadly, I bet a warranty cancellation would be started.

zeroaviation

Understand that I am quoting from the official Ford TSB attached.

"Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic
Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM."

Also, check out the flow chart on Figure 3. This further proves my statement.

This is Dealer level! (meaning the only tool they have is IDS)

Cheers,
-Matt

AMWill

Quick Update:

Every Diablosport Intune product page on our site has been corrected as of now. Thanks to the feedback from this thread! If you guys notice any other product pages that have been missed, please don't hesitate to link them to me via PM. I'll make sure it's taken care of. Although, they should all be covered already.

Thanks again for the heads up and sorry for any confusion this has caused anyone!

Shane

zeroaviation

This has caused me extreme stress and confusion.

Some AM swag should fix it.

-Matt

jmaStang

No problem. I meant to call about it months ago. I'm actually very surprised that I'm the first person to bring it to your attention. Thank you for the clarification.

AMWill

I'm surprised I never ran across it either. Then again, I don't sort through a lot of the product descriptions because I'm already very familiar with the parts or products. I just wish I saw this earlier too. Oh well, it's corrected on the website now.

Thanks again for your assistance!

Shane