Why Steeda Cold Air Intakes Blow Away The 'Competition'
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the issue is clear.. why do you keep on asking the same questions?? You do not want to do anything until the warranty is used up and thats fine. They are not going to cover you in the way you like so move on. BTW like I said in a post already those non tune cai's will give you the same increases as a drop in K&N filter.
FYI your warranty claim for a bone stock car can be rejected also if they feel you were miss using the car. Its silly to think or expect someone else to fix and or make Your problems go away. Its really that kind of thinking that Harms America. Car modding is a money pit and it never is or will be a good investment and thats just fine for someone that has a stick that measures in smiles and not dollar signs or mpg. I feel you should of bought a prius and joined a mpg club.
please move on.... you got the answer and it wasnt what you wanted to hear but what you are doing has gotten old..
FYI your warranty claim for a bone stock car can be rejected also if they feel you were miss using the car. Its silly to think or expect someone else to fix and or make Your problems go away. Its really that kind of thinking that Harms America. Car modding is a money pit and it never is or will be a good investment and thats just fine for someone that has a stick that measures in smiles and not dollar signs or mpg. I feel you should of bought a prius and joined a mpg club.
please move on.... you got the answer and it wasnt what you wanted to hear but what you are doing has gotten old..
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No one is expecting Ford to cover an engine that blows from a bad tune and no one is expecting the tuner to cover an engine that blows from an internal defect (at least I'm not). The issue is why should the customer be the one losing out here and that fear is why some are on the fence of tuning or not.
Another concern is - what happens if my transmission or rear end goes out and I have a Steeda tune? The dealer is going to likely not cover because you are tuned, even though that probably isn't why the part failed, they can per Fords TSB. You can scream Magnuson Moss blah blah blah all you want but its probably not going to do anything for you, unless you want to go to court and risk more $ for who knows what. What is Steeda going to do in this circumstance? I'd be shocked if they paid for it, so who loses again . . .
In a perfect world you could buy a new car and have it tuned. Steeda stands behind the tune and Ford stands behind the rest. The issue is the area in between where a customer could get screwed out of having their parts warrantied because neither side will compromise and step up to fix the problem because its easier to blame it on the other.
If you say nothing is going to happen if I change my intake & tune will you then cover me if it does
Another concern is - what happens if my transmission or rear end goes out and I have a Steeda tune? The dealer is going to likely not cover because you are tuned, even though that probably isn't why the part failed, they can per Fords TSB. You can scream Magnuson Moss blah blah blah all you want but its probably not going to do anything for you, unless you want to go to court and risk more $ for who knows what. What is Steeda going to do in this circumstance? I'd be shocked if they paid for it, so who loses again . . .
In a perfect world you could buy a new car and have it tuned. Steeda stands behind the tune and Ford stands behind the rest. The issue is the area in between where a customer could get screwed out of having their parts warrantied because neither side will compromise and step up to fix the problem because its easier to blame it on the other.
If you say nothing is going to happen if I change my intake & tune will you then cover me if it does
all of this is 100% pay to play.
people make three decisions that bring them to the point that this may or may not be an issue.
1. buying a car(no on forced you)
2. buying a cai + tune (no one made you get on the phone of web)
3. installing the parts(no one broke and installed the parts)
three choices by an adult. Atleast two if not three cost money and one even requiring a bank ok on the matter.
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Oh thank you Mr Obvious, I wouldnt have ever figured that out. I must befriend you immediately, do I get a free "Pay to Play" T-shirt with my membership to the God of All Mustangs Club? Please say I will, pretty please?
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all of this is 100% pay to play.
people make three decisions that bring them to the point that this may or may not be an issue.
1. buying a car(no on forced you)
2. buying a cai + tune (no one made you get on the phone of web)
3. installing the parts(no one broke and installed the parts)
three choices by an adult. Atleast two if not three cost money and one even requiring a bank ok on the matter.
people make three decisions that bring them to the point that this may or may not be an issue.
1. buying a car(no on forced you)
2. buying a cai + tune (no one made you get on the phone of web)
3. installing the parts(no one broke and installed the parts)
three choices by an adult. Atleast two if not three cost money and one even requiring a bank ok on the matter.
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Tune on car= good luck getting any engine/tranny repairs done. End of story. I work on them at a dealer and I see it all the time. Now I'm not saying the tunes are bad. Mine is custom tuned. but Ford doesn't like them and will do anything to void a tuned vehicles warranty. End of story.
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Tune on car= good luck getting any engine/tranny repairs done. End of story. I work on them at a dealer and I see it all the time. Now I'm not saying the tunes are bad. Mine is custom tuned. but Ford doesn't like them and will do anything to void a tuned vehicles warranty. End of story.
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Wow,
I guess we're late to this game here.
busy I guess...
We at JLT Performance, "the five of us" would like to tell you about the awful "eye opening" truth in Cold Air Intake testing... When done by a manufacturer against another, LOL
We have become aware of a test that was done by Brand "S" or Steeda,
against our brand "J" intake on a 2011 Mustang GT and sent to all dealers and customers in the past few days.
If you have not seen it, you're not missing much. Steeda did a test breaking down the 2 kits and guess which kit won? Man, I would have figured we would have beat them somewhere...
First let me say that Lisa and I are honored and flattered to be "The competition" for this Mustang parts giant.
Any of you that know us on a personal level know how small we really are and to think we could be making such a dent in sales at Brand "S" that they need to spend the time to test our product and post "their" results is awesome. Here is our perspective on the testing done by Steeda, enjoy.
CONSTRUCTION
Both are made from roto molded plastic. The JLT has an integrated 107mm MAF for no couplers or transitions.
Brand "S" has a separate MAF, only a few mm larger than stock and it's milled from solid billet aluminum. A heat sink! This is also touted as a velocity stack.
Well, not many know this, but I'll give a little info here. S&B patented the Advanced Air Flow filter flange many years ago. They mold this "velocity stack" in each and every filter they make for JLT, so no need for an additional part.
Now, we are not as high tech, but we can have our "ad guy" make squiggly air flow lines on a picture of the inside the of brand "S" intake and straight lines on ours too, like that PROVES any results...
TESTING
Let's get real, we both make the same product and we are all going to be close in HP gains, but for goodness sake, if you're going to do a test you should fudge it more than a 4 RWHP gain in your favor. $90 more and the power gains not there to warrant it. Heck, the dyno graph has us beating them in areas, it's almost a wash. Who ever ok'ed them to use this graph to prove a point should be ashamed.
Oh and "both" kits were tuned by Steeda...Things that make you go hmm... Hey, doesn't Steeda claim like 54 RWHP gains? Shouldn't it have slaughtered us on the dyno??
IDLE TEST
30 seconds logged and the Steeda kit with a HOT METAL shield surrounding the filter and a billet aluminum MAF housing only increased IAT's by 4 degrees? 4 degrees, seriously, we are to believe that?
I logged the stock box just this morning in my 2011 5.0 on my way to work in 65 degree temps and saw a 10-14 degree jump at a stop light, so 4 degrees didn't happen.
CITY DRIVING
Both the JLT and Steeda use the fresh air inlet from the grille, but some how the JLT didn't cool down the same...Hmm I'm seeing a trend in test results
Lisa and I are passionate about our business and will continue to support the Mustang community with our products and services. Our fun with this is over and it's time to go back to real work. We hope you had a good laugh right along with us.
Thank you for your support
Jay and Lisa Tucker
J L T Performance
I guess we're late to this game here.
busy I guess...We at JLT Performance, "the five of us" would like to tell you about the awful "eye opening" truth in Cold Air Intake testing... When done by a manufacturer against another, LOL
We have become aware of a test that was done by Brand "S" or Steeda,
against our brand "J" intake on a 2011 Mustang GT and sent to all dealers and customers in the past few days.If you have not seen it, you're not missing much. Steeda did a test breaking down the 2 kits and guess which kit won? Man, I would have figured we would have beat them somewhere...
First let me say that Lisa and I are honored and flattered to be "The competition" for this Mustang parts giant.
Any of you that know us on a personal level know how small we really are and to think we could be making such a dent in sales at Brand "S" that they need to spend the time to test our product and post "their" results is awesome. Here is our perspective on the testing done by Steeda, enjoy.
CONSTRUCTION
Both are made from roto molded plastic. The JLT has an integrated 107mm MAF for no couplers or transitions.
Brand "S" has a separate MAF, only a few mm larger than stock and it's milled from solid billet aluminum. A heat sink! This is also touted as a velocity stack.
Well, not many know this, but I'll give a little info here. S&B patented the Advanced Air Flow filter flange many years ago. They mold this "velocity stack" in each and every filter they make for JLT, so no need for an additional part.
Now, we are not as high tech, but we can have our "ad guy" make squiggly air flow lines on a picture of the inside the of brand "S" intake and straight lines on ours too, like that PROVES any results...
TESTING
Let's get real, we both make the same product and we are all going to be close in HP gains, but for goodness sake, if you're going to do a test you should fudge it more than a 4 RWHP gain in your favor. $90 more and the power gains not there to warrant it. Heck, the dyno graph has us beating them in areas, it's almost a wash. Who ever ok'ed them to use this graph to prove a point should be ashamed.
Oh and "both" kits were tuned by Steeda...Things that make you go hmm... Hey, doesn't Steeda claim like 54 RWHP gains? Shouldn't it have slaughtered us on the dyno??
IDLE TEST
30 seconds logged and the Steeda kit with a HOT METAL shield surrounding the filter and a billet aluminum MAF housing only increased IAT's by 4 degrees? 4 degrees, seriously, we are to believe that?
I logged the stock box just this morning in my 2011 5.0 on my way to work in 65 degree temps and saw a 10-14 degree jump at a stop light, so 4 degrees didn't happen.
CITY DRIVING
Both the JLT and Steeda use the fresh air inlet from the grille, but some how the JLT didn't cool down the same...Hmm I'm seeing a trend in test results
Lisa and I are passionate about our business and will continue to support the Mustang community with our products and services. Our fun with this is over and it's time to go back to real work. We hope you had a good laugh right along with us.
Thank you for your support
Jay and Lisa Tucker
J L T Performance
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Steeda is a great company with quality products. They have been serving the mustang community for many years. But like all companies, you can't be the best at everything. There will always be another company that specializes in one thing that may be a little better product. Possibly a company like MGW or JLT.
It's just an air inlet guys. Less that 10 hp. Cold fronts produce more gains.
It's just an air inlet guys. Less that 10 hp. Cold fronts produce more gains.
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Originally Posted by Fridaze
No you are completely missing the mark. I never said I didnt want to add power nor did I say I want a bone stock car, nor will it remain bone stock forever. What I am saying is that this particular product requires the Ford warranty to be voided. Period. Thats the bottom line here. I got jumped on for this simple statement. I never said Steeda makes junk. Never said they need to take on the factory warranty. All I have ever tried to pass on to the public is that they need to be mindful installing THIS CAI will void the warranty and if you are ok with it, so be it.
Go read people's responses, its all "Steeda makes great products etc etc" which as stated above, I never questioned. Ever.
No, from the beginning I said clearly I know it will void the warranty and I also said I know the reason why. Its because Ford cannot, nor should not, have to guarantee someone else's reprogramming of timing, fuel ratios, etc of their car. I didnt even say Steeda should do this, all I said was that they should be exceedingly clear on this point when advertising their product. As has been demonstrated not soley by me, they wont come out and say it. Now I am not saying that this indicates something to everyone, but to some it may.
First lets address this troll nonsense. The definition of a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. I have done none of these. Every single post has been about Steeda, their CAI/Program and the stock Ford warranty. I am always interested in performance, I didnt just roll up in this thread for giggles, I was interested in what they had to offer from the start. But I am not the only one with the exact same question. Go read the thread again, there are multiple people (or trolls aparently) who are asking the exact same question, which has yet to be answered by the horse itself. We know why, you know why. So lets leave it at that. Am I interested in the product now? No. But this is a forum open for discussion and just because Im not jumping around shouting Steeda is the best does not make my opinion any less valid or any less true. Im sorry if someone disagreeing with you makes you uncomfortable.
EDIT: Oh and has anyone noticed the irony of this thread title on the mobile app? "Why Steeda Cold Air Intakes Blow..." lol.
Last edited by wheelman; Mar 22, 2012 at 01:07 PM.
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We utilize the OEM knock sensors (something that not every tuner does), so no worries there. You can run 89 with a 91 tune, as the knock sensor will adjust for any change in octane, we're just saying we recommend that you run 91 octane if your tune is a 91 octane tune. 
However, Ford press releases made a big deal about the 08 Bullitt being the "first" to utilize the "new" 'adaptive spark ignition system' where an owner could switch between 87 and 91 octane at will. Neither the 08 or 09 GT had it, it was exclusive to Bullitt. Only the '10 GT got it (for the 4.6. I believe it is now standard for the 5.0).
Of course you would know, but to me it sounds like more than just knock sensors. Didn't the 4.6 3V have knock sensors for 05-07 GT before Bullitt?
If the adaptive spark ignition system was just knock sensors that the previous year GT's already had, that would make Ford press releases bogus.
EMBARGOED UNTIL 6 PM EST/3 PM PST TUESDAY, NOV. 6
Engine performance is further enhanced through the use of an innovative adaptive spark ignition system, new for the 2008 Mustang.
The system can sense, within a few seconds, what type of fuel is being injected into the motor and adjusts the spark to provide maximum torque at any given speed – and as much as 10 pounds-feet more between 1,000 and 4,000 rpm.
Bullitt can run on either premium or regular fuel. Ford recommends premium fuel for optimum performance, but the adaptive spark ignition will adjust the spark to burn regular fuel without damaging the engine.
Engine performance is further enhanced through the use of an innovative adaptive spark ignition system, new for the 2008 Mustang.
The system can sense, within a few seconds, what type of fuel is being injected into the motor and adjusts the spark to provide maximum torque at any given speed – and as much as 10 pounds-feet more between 1,000 and 4,000 rpm.
Bullitt can run on either premium or regular fuel. Ford recommends premium fuel for optimum performance, but the adaptive spark ignition will adjust the spark to burn regular fuel without damaging the engine.
Last edited by cdynaco; Mar 22, 2012 at 01:17 PM.
