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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 10:35 PM
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Why is steeda the bad guy in this??? Ford would be the party that's causing the issue. Additionally... You are getting all butt hurt over something you have not bought or used. Plus you are still crying over a nearly one thousand dollar mod that may or may not require a fix some day maybe. Sounds like people do not have faith nor do they want to pay to play.
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 10:36 PM
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Adrian is your last name Steeda?
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flagstang
Why is steeda the bad guy in this??? Ford would be the party that's causing the issue. Additionally... You are getting all butt hurt over something you have not bought or used. Plus you are still crying over a nearly one thousand dollar mod that may or may not require a fix some day maybe. Sounds like people do not have faith nor do they want to pay to play.

The more you keep saying Pay to Play the more ridiculous your argument becomes. Some of us dropped 30k plus for a 2013, that sounds like paying to me.

Steeda isnt coming off as the bad guy other than the fact "they" wont actually comment on the truth of our statement. The best they did was laugh at a video that while simultaneously ditching the subject of this debate altogether. Im not at all butt hurt over it, I wont buy it ONLY because it requires me to void my warranty while I can buy a similar product without doing that. There is paying for the sake of using a cool catch phrase and then there is burning money because youre an idiot. Sometimes both.
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Fridaze
The more you keep saying Pay to Play the more ridiculous your argument becomes. Some of us dropped 30k plus for a 2013, that sounds like paying to me.

Steeda isnt coming off as the bad guy other than the fact "they" wont actually comment on the truth of our statement. The best they did was laugh at a video that while simultaneously ditching the subject of this debate altogether. Im not at all butt hurt over it, I wont buy it ONLY because it requires me to void my warranty while I can buy a similar product without doing that. There is paying for the sake of using a cool catch phrase and then there is burning money because youre an idiot. Sometimes both.
you paid the 30k for the car you got. You paid for a stock level of performance and that's what you will get.
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 11:22 PM
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you paid the 30k for the car you got. You paid for a stock level of performance and that's what you will get.
Yep. For the same amount I can add a CAI without voiding my warranty rather than chancing out of pocket expenses if it voids. Simple economics illustrates that means more money to pay to play. So I can add some goodies that really give you more than a ten minute bolt on, like cams, intakes etc. Throwing away my money when I dont have to was never made me feel cool, but thats just me.
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 11:34 PM
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one question to STEEDA ... if things go sour with a dealer warranty issue, do you only stand behind CAI or CAI and Tune?
Old Mar 21, 2012 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fridaze
Yep. For the same amount I can add a CAI without voiding my warranty rather than chancing out of pocket expenses if it voids. Simple economics illustrates that means more money to pay to play. So I can add some goodies that really give you more than a ten minute bolt on, like cams, intakes etc. Throwing away my money when I dont have to was never made me feel cool, but thats just me.
If you were looking to be economical then a mustang was a poor choice in cars. If you are looking to add power no matter what you do it will harm your warranty. Cams and a warranty will cause warranty issues. Any cai that doesnt need a tune isnt going to give you much more then a K&N drop in filter. Why would it be throwing money away?? steeda has never had a failure. Sounds like you are just gun shy.

I am guessing you simply do not want more out of the car. Thats fine. So why are you in this thread??

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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 11:56 PM
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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Flagstang

If you were looking to be economical then a mustang was a poor choice in cars. If you are looking to add power no matter what you do it will harm your warranty. Cams and and warranty will cause warranty issues. Any cai that doesnt need a tune isnt going to give you must more then a K&N drop in filter. Why would it be throwing money away?? steeda has never had a failure. Sounds like you are just gun shy.

I am guessing you simply do not want more out of the car. Thats fine. So why are you in this thread??
^^^^^ I Agree with you..
Exactly, Fridaze if your not interested then go find sone other thread to troll.

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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 04:06 AM
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Don't know how many times Steeda can repeat;

1) They have never had a failure

and

2) They will stand behind their product

Old Mar 22, 2012 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fridaze

Yep. For the same amount I can add a CAI without voiding my warranty rather than chancing out of pocket expenses if it voids. Simple economics illustrates that means more money to pay to play. So I can add some goodies that really give you more than a ten minute bolt on, like cams, intakes etc. Throwing away my money when I dont have to was never made me feel cool, but thats just me.
So let me get this straight, you want someone to step up and warranty their tune in writing so you can rip parts off of your stock motor and replace them with aftermarket goodies..? And you think that wouldn't void your warranty?
Old Mar 22, 2012 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ace72ace
Don't know how many times Steeda can repeat;

1) They have never had a failure

and

2) They will stand behind their product

behind CAI not CAI + Tune, and you can't install CAI without tune. Seems when asked directly about this, they ignore it completely, but when they reply they only state how they stand strong behind their CAI and its the best... simply smoke and mirrors.
Old Mar 22, 2012 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Fridaze

Read the posts, nobody is claiming that Steeda produces junk. Not once is that ever claimed. All the "debate" regards is voiding warranties. The fact that Steeda will not chime in does, in fact, speak volumes whether you are a fan of them or not. Im indifferent actually, but the facts are what they are.
And I never thought this debate was about Steeda producing junk. Not sure where you got that from.
Old Mar 22, 2012 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Flagstang
If you were looking to be economical then a mustang was a poor choice in cars. If you are looking to add power no matter what you do it will harm your warranty. Cams and a warranty will cause warranty issues. Any cai that doesnt need a tune isnt going to give you much more then a K&N drop in filter. Why would it be throwing money away?? steeda has never had a failure. Sounds like you are just gun shy.

I am guessing you simply do not want more out of the car. Thats fine. So why are you in this thread??
No you are completely missing the mark. I never said I didnt want to add power nor did I say I want a bone stock car, nor will it remain bone stock forever. What I am saying is that this particular product requires the Ford warranty to be voided. Period. Thats the bottom line here. I got jumped on for this simple statement. I never said Steeda makes junk. Never said they need to take on the factory warranty. All I have ever tried to pass on to the public is that they need to be mindful installing THIS CAI will void the warranty and if you are ok with it, so be it.

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And I never thought this debate was about Steeda producing junk. Not sure where you got that from.
Go read people's responses, its all "Steeda makes great products etc etc" which as stated above, I never questioned. Ever.

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So let me get this straight, you want someone to step up and warranty their tune in writing so you can rip parts off of your stock motor and replace them with aftermarket goodies..? And you think that wouldn't void your warranty?
No, from the beginning I said clearly I know it will void the warranty and I also said I know the reason why. Its because Ford cannot, nor should not, have to guarantee someone else's reprogramming of timing, fuel ratios, etc of their car. I didnt even say Steeda should do this, all I said was that they should be exceedingly clear on this point when advertising their product. As has been demonstrated not soley by me, they wont come out and say it. Now I am not saying that this indicates something to everyone, but to some it may.

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^^^^^ I Agree with you..
Exactly, Fridaze if your not interested then go find sone other thread to troll.
First lets address this troll nonsense. The definition of a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. I have done none of these. Every single post has been about Steeda, their CAI/Program and the stock Ford warranty. I am always interested in performance, I didnt just roll up in this thread for giggles, I was interested in what they had to offer from the start. But I am not the only one with the exact same question. Go read the thread again, there are multiple people (or trolls aparently) who are asking the exact same question, which has yet to be answered by the horse itself. We know why, you know why. So lets leave it at that. Am I interested in the product now? No. But this is a forum open for discussion and just because Im not jumping around shouting Steeda is the best does not make my opinion any less valid or any less true. Im sorry if someone disagreeing with you makes you uncomfortable.
Old Mar 22, 2012 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ace72ace
Don't know how many times Steeda can repeat;

1) They have never had a failure

and

2) They will stand behind their product

And I'm only asking for them to define exactly what "stand behind their product" covers....Will they pay for a rental IF Ford claims their tune and/or CAI caused an issue rendering the car undrivable, and Ford refuses to repair/cover it under warrantee? During this possible situation, an owner could be out of a ride for a period of time. It would be benificial to know ahead of time what to expect if this were to happen.

No doubt they make a great product. That is not under debat that I see here.

I'd think this would be a simple yes/no answer. So far, it's been ignored.

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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 07:18 AM
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So what have we learned so far? Flagstang has a Steeda tat on his lower back, Steeda makes a great product (no one has disputed that here), they claim they will stand behind their products and customers 100% and have proven this in the past. However they will not comment on questions of their tune and what they would do if Ford denied warranty of any drivetrain part, which dealers have the ability to do per Fords TSB issued on tunes.

TJ & Gus - not trying to call you out just asking you to make a statement on what your customers are asking for.

If you guys think this Thread is hating on Steeda in any way you should read the thread at SVT . . .
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
I don't want to lose the flexibility of varying octane's (by my choice or faulty fuel) that is provided by the factory 'adaptive spark ignition system'. I am often at 4-5000' high desert and down to 1500' in a humid valley in the same day.
From all that I have read, no after market tuners have incorporated this strategy into their tunes.
We utilize the OEM knock sensors (something that not every tuner does), so no worries there. You can run 89 with a 91 tune, as the knock sensor will adjust for any change in octane, we're just saying we recommend that you run 91 octane if your tune is a 91 octane tune.
Old Mar 22, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nickt916
so here you have it, directly from the horses mouth, i like what i hear and i will be getting one once my 2013 arrives. i also love the fact that its made in USA parts or only some are made in USA, i prefer to not buy made in China junk.

last couple questions before i purchase the kit. if i buy just the CAI without a tune, ill be looking at about 2-3HP gain correct?

now if i buy a tune, can the tune come with 3 different tunes on it, for 87, 89 and 91?

how much HP gain would i see for a 87 tune, 89 tune and 91 tune?


thank you for the great customer support.
What intake do you currently have? OEM?

Yes, we can provide you with three tunes if you so choose. (we typically only provide two, but we can do three at the customer's request)

Originally Posted by Jcint
Love My steeda CAI but I run a Custom dyno tune on my setup. Not saying the steeda tune was bad, just wanted a dyno custom tune at the time. Running this setup since my car had about 1500 miles on her. I now have 28k. BTW I do have afew of steeda parts on my car
The best way to tune a car is with a custom dyno tune for your specific vehicle and your specific setup. Custom dyno tunes will typically add more power, however little or great that may be, over our custom tunes. Many people either do not have access to (be it logistics or time), or do not want to spend the money to have their car's custom dyno tuned (as it's typically pretty pricey). Our custom tunes are some of the safest and best out there, period.


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So yes the tune will affect warranty?

Second, is it also not the reality that while there may be all this proof of this and that, initially all Ford has to do is say, you have a modified car and then simply play the waiting game. Sure, eventually you may prevail, but in the interim you either are without your vehicle fixed or you are paying out of pocket until they are proven or disproven during this whole investigation process?
Unfortunately, there is no clear answer. The tune may or may not affect the warranty.

Warranty voidance is such a controversial issue.

Basically, the run-down is that simply installing a part (or tune) should not void your warranty, the problem comes when something goes wrong and you take it in to have the dealership fix the problem. The dealership is able to void your warranty if it sees that you have an aftermarket part related to the powertrain, according to the law (Magnuson Moss Warranty Act) they have to prove the part(s) (or tune) caused the damage. However, even if they don't "prove" it, most people are not going to go through the fees and hassle of suing the dealership. Warranty voidances are not handled by Ford, they leave it up to the dealership to decide that. Ford only decides whether it will cover the repair costs of the dealership as due to a manufacturing fault. And obviously, if Ford will not pay for the repairs, then the dealership is likely to try and find a way out.

Steeda has a close relationship with Ford via their Technology Transfer Program, so most dealers are not going to give you any troubles over your Steeda parts.


Originally Posted by nickt916
it seems like thats where the confusion is and i think this is where STEEDA needs to clear things up. do they only stand behind the CAI or the CAI with a tune?

why can't the CAI be used without a tune, will it throw some codes? I'm sure you can use it without a tune, you will only gain 2-3HP but that would be an expensive 2-3HP. now if they stand behind the CAI and the tune then its a ship worth jumping on.
Our cold air intake, as well as the rest of Steeda parts, come with a lifetime warranty.

Because our intake increases the MAF housing size, it changes the calibration curve of the mass air electronics, requiring a re-tune in order to properly calibrate the new airflow curve.

Originally Posted by TOGAN
does this steeda cai need a tuner? i need something p&p without tuning
Yes, see above.

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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 07:50 AM
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Sorry Brandon - I didn't mean to leave you out, I'll add you to the list.

TJ, Gus or Brandon. Either one of you care to answer your customers questions about using your tunes? Or are you just going to keep posting around them trying to sell things?

Is it just me or is this really weird
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