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11/3/11, 04:32 AM
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Well like bone is saying, it's really up to the tech and the service department. It pays to befriend your dealership technicians. When I worked for the dealerships, it was up to us to decide. Lots of modded cars that we warrantied. But the real A-holes got nothing from us but voided warranties. Tip your tech for regular service a few times. Those guys really appreciate that and it's a way to get to know those guys. Hell, we used to mod vehicles at the dealer for customers.
11/3/11, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
I agree with buying one from a wrecked car, but what about the kit from ameican muscle that includes the PCM to throw the 5.0 motor in a different car. If I bought the 5.0 motor with the PCM for my 2010 how would they VIN lock it? Also what if I threw the 5.0 in my 1968 fastback, why would they need to vin lock it?
http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-c...e-control.html
I mean this is the kit from American muscle. All you would need to use out of the kit is the PCM itself an just use the rest of YOUR factory components. I mean yes it is $1400 but I would rather that than give up my warranty, or like you said just get one from a wrecked car.
EDIT -- will only work on manuals as the pcm is tuned for a manual transmission application
11/3/11, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Well like bone is saying, it's really up to the tech and the service department. It pays to befriend your dealership technicians. When I worked for the dealerships, it was up to us to decide. Lots of modded cars that we warrantied. But the real A-holes got nothing from us but voided warranties. Tip your tech for regular service a few times. Those guys really appreciate that and it's a way to get to know those guys. Hell, we used to mod vehicles at the dealer for customers.
11/3/11, 06:01 AM
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hmmmmm I wondered this. What if you bought a seperate PCM and used that one with your tune on it. Than god forbid anything happens, you just put your original stock pcm back in....... Pretty expensive, but hey it may work and atleast you can mod the hell outta your car
11/3/11, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by VTXFrank
Thing is, you have to have your car key "added" to the new PCM. As far as I know, only the dealer can do that.
11/13/11, 09:54 AM
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Ehhh wtf I'll do it lol. Once my car gets some miles on it though, I only have 350 as of today so I was planning on doing this maybe in the spring. It would be GREAT if someone could try this out before hand.
I was also reading on another forum that the only thing that pops up in the PCM is the code "p1000" which only states that the battery was disconnected OR the pcm was reflashed, but its up to the dealer to determine which one it was. Basically if your car is 100% stock and you put the stock tune back you can just say you disconnected the battery to see if the symptoms went away with resetting the battery.
All these sound like logical options but we just need someone to test them........ anyone lol?
I was also reading on another forum that the only thing that pops up in the PCM is the code "p1000" which only states that the battery was disconnected OR the pcm was reflashed, but its up to the dealer to determine which one it was. Basically if your car is 100% stock and you put the stock tune back you can just say you disconnected the battery to see if the symptoms went away with resetting the battery.
All these sound like logical options but we just need someone to test them........ anyone lol?
11/13/11, 09:27 PM
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so basically you can even use your stock pcm and just tune it back to stock, drive it for a bit and than bring it in for whatever reason???
I read the TSB from ford a few times and it basically states that if you tune the car the p1000 code pops up, but its up to the dealer to determine if it was just a battery reset, or the car was actually tuned. Basically if they see a CAI and headers they will say it was tuned. But if its BONE STOCK and you say o0o yeah I reset the battery to see if it solved the problem, theres nothing wrong with that and they cant say the car was tuned.
Basically theres not a code that pops up in the pcm that says "HEY THIS CAR WAS TUNED BY ......., VOID MY WARRANTY". Its just the p1000 which is the same as resetting the battery correct?
I read the TSB from ford a few times and it basically states that if you tune the car the p1000 code pops up, but its up to the dealer to determine if it was just a battery reset, or the car was actually tuned. Basically if they see a CAI and headers they will say it was tuned. But if its BONE STOCK and you say o0o yeah I reset the battery to see if it solved the problem, theres nothing wrong with that and they cant say the car was tuned.
Basically theres not a code that pops up in the pcm that says "HEY THIS CAR WAS TUNED BY ......., VOID MY WARRANTY". Its just the p1000 which is the same as resetting the battery correct?
11/13/11, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
so basically you can even use your stock pcm and just tune it back to stock, drive it for a bit and than bring it in for whatever reason???
Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
I read the TSB from ford a few times and it basically states that if you tune the car the p1000 code pops up, but its up to the dealer to determine if it was just a battery reset, or the car was actually tuned. Basically if they see a CAI and headers they will say it was tuned. But if its BONE STOCK and you say o0o yeah I reset the battery to see if it solved the problem, theres nothing wrong with that and they cant say the car was tuned.
Basically theres not a code that pops up in the pcm that says "HEY THIS CAR WAS TUNED BY ......., VOID MY WARRANTY". Its just the p1000 which is the same as resetting the battery correct?
Basically theres not a code that pops up in the pcm that says "HEY THIS CAR WAS TUNED BY ......., VOID MY WARRANTY". Its just the p1000 which is the same as resetting the battery correct?
11/13/11, 10:08 PM
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But now that cant just be like you reset the battery twice? Like you "reset the battery" when you tuned it and you "reset the battery" when you put it back to stock?
Listen I'm all down for buying a second PCM, but if I can get "away with it" on my stock pcm I would much rather do that. Also how much does a second PCM cost through ford and will I be able to order one for an auto trans? I can just give them the VIN to my fox body and say I am throwing the 5.0 and auto trans in it.
Listen I'm all down for buying a second PCM, but if I can get "away with it" on my stock pcm I would much rather do that. Also how much does a second PCM cost through ford and will I be able to order one for an auto trans? I can just give them the VIN to my fox body and say I am throwing the 5.0 and auto trans in it.
11/13/11, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
But now that cant just be like you reset the battery twice? Like you "reset the battery" when you tuned it and you "reset the battery" when you put it back to stock?
Listen I'm all down for buying a second PCM, but if I can get "away with it" on my stock pcm I would much rather do that. Also how much does a second PCM cost through ford and will I be able to order one for an auto trans? I can just give them the VIN to my fox body and say I am throwing the 5.0 and auto trans in it.
Listen I'm all down for buying a second PCM, but if I can get "away with it" on my stock pcm I would much rather do that. Also how much does a second PCM cost through ford and will I be able to order one for an auto trans? I can just give them the VIN to my fox body and say I am throwing the 5.0 and auto trans in it.
So no that can't work. The only thing that counts as a flash is an actual flash. Nothing else. And I'm not sure on the cost of a Pcm. I can find out tomorrow.
11/13/11, 10:18 PM
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Alright I gotcha now. and the flash counter is in the PCM itself?
Also yes if you can find out the cost of a PCM that would be great. And I can order one that is for an auto trans right?
EDIT -- Check this out!!! Can I (or anyone else) just order the PCM of their code and just use that? Its only $495 and thats great!!!
http://www.partswebsite.com/fordonli...n=3&type=parts
(ECM'S are in the middle of the page)
Also yes if you can find out the cost of a PCM that would be great. And I can order one that is for an auto trans right?
EDIT -- Check this out!!! Can I (or anyone else) just order the PCM of their code and just use that? Its only $495 and thats great!!!
http://www.partswebsite.com/fordonli...n=3&type=parts
(ECM'S are in the middle of the page)
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11/13/11, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
Alright I gotcha now. and the flash counter is in the PCM itself?
Also yes if you can find out the cost of a PCM that would be great. And I can order one that is for an auto trans right?
EDIT -- Check this out!!! Can I (or anyone else) just order the PCM of their code and just use that? Its only $495 and thats great!!!
http://www.partswebsite.com/fordonli...n=3&type=parts
(ECM'S are in the middle of the page)
Also yes if you can find out the cost of a PCM that would be great. And I can order one that is for an auto trans right?
EDIT -- Check this out!!! Can I (or anyone else) just order the PCM of their code and just use that? Its only $495 and thats great!!!
http://www.partswebsite.com/fordonli...n=3&type=parts
(ECM'S are in the middle of the page)
Keep in mind the Pcm will need to be programmed with your vin number to pass state inspections.
And yes they can tune it for automatic transmissions.
11/13/11, 10:52 PM
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And basically what else do I have to do once I order that PCM from ford online parts? Does it come programmed, or do I need to take it to a dealer?
11/13/11, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
Well I was planning on using the stock pcm and all stock components for inspection, so do they still need a vin number? and can I just give them the vin to my foxbody and say I'm doing the coyote conversion with the auto trans?
And basically what else do I have to do once I order that PCM from ford online parts? Does it come programmed, or do I need to take it to a dealer?
If you put the stock Pcm back in for inspection you have nothing to worry about.
