Traction control off
6/7/14, 03:22 PM
#21
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Cold tires, I leave sport mode on because I get zero traction with cold tires. But that's what my Jeep is for
Recommend finding a biiiiig parking lot, turning TCS fully off, and experimenting with the car. See what the limits or. Even better, go to a track day with a skid pad and learn from some professionals!
6/16/14, 10:18 PM
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Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?
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6/16/14, 10:26 PM
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It's worth noting that many of those "nannies" are more intended for crashes and other unexpected events where you may lose control of your vehicle. It can help you navigate safely around obstacles without spinning the car and throwing you into a tree. Likewise with the ABS, it helps you stop much quicker during a panic stop, especially so if the road surface is slick.
It's not about whether or not you know how to control a car that puts out decent power, but rather it helps you keep control when a deer runs in front of you or some jack **** cuts you off on the freeway.
It's not about whether or not you know how to control a car that puts out decent power, but rather it helps you keep control when a deer runs in front of you or some jack **** cuts you off on the freeway.
6/16/14, 11:45 PM
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Really?
Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?
Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?
You hit the nail on the head.
6/16/14, 11:49 PM
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6/17/14, 08:32 AM
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It's worth noting that many of those "nannies" are more intended for crashes and other unexpected events where you may lose control of your vehicle. It can help you navigate safely around obstacles without spinning the car and throwing you into a tree. Likewise with the ABS, it helps you stop much quicker during a panic stop, especially so if the road surface is slick.
It's not about whether or not you know how to control a car that puts out decent power, but rather it helps you keep control when a deer runs in front of you or some jack **** cuts you off on the freeway.
It's not about whether or not you know how to control a car that puts out decent power, but rather it helps you keep control when a deer runs in front of you or some jack **** cuts you off on the freeway.
ABS does NOT make you stop quicker. Driver best effort (experienced driver) typically can stop feet shorter than ABS. The sole purpose of ABS is to provide an average driver with the ability to steer their vehicle while they are doing a panic stop. ABS will stop shorted versus a driver who stands on the brake pedal no matter what. But it's main job is not to shorten stopping distance, it's to maintain steer ability. As for the second part, I respectfully disagree.
If you know how to drive your car, you don't need traction control, stability control or ABS. You take the side slip into account and simply adjust for it. Doesn't matter if a deer jumps out, it you get cut off, or if you're doing hot laps on a track. You either are in control of your vehicle or you are not. ABS, TCS and ESP are made for general public who are not skilled, and really can't control their vehicles in evasive maneuvers or during panic stops, or brake in turns. They are in place so your teenage daughter or your gramma don't spin out when they stab the brakes in a turn. Skilled drivers don't need them. This is why in most race applications these systems are not used. They get in the way, and they cannot overcome physics.
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6/17/14, 03:21 PM
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^ THIS. Took the words out of my mouth. I work on vehicle stability control functions, I've been trained in limit handling, and understanding vehicle dynamics is my bread and butter. Plus I also track my car. On my own Mustang I have not had a single stability control intervention occur while I wasn't already counter steering. And at that point the intervention is more annoying than anything. So as soon as I decide to slide I turn AdvenceTrac off.
If you can't drift your car, or make it yaw with your right foot, than stability control is for you. If you can do these things, you're better off driving with AdvanceTrac OFF. Otherwise the system will intervene WHILE you're making your own correction. This can lead to a double-correction causing addition of a yaw torque and ultimately causes loss of precision.
Kyle, for the general public your statement is accurate. But don't forget some people on this forum CAN handle a 400 or 600 HP car on their own. And I don't mean being able to go WOT all the time. I mean knowing when you can afford to go WOT and manage side slip and yaw, and when you have to limit the throttle to 70%.
If you can't drift your car, or make it yaw with your right foot, than stability control is for you. If you can do these things, you're better off driving with AdvanceTrac OFF. Otherwise the system will intervene WHILE you're making your own correction. This can lead to a double-correction causing addition of a yaw torque and ultimately causes loss of precision.
Kyle, for the general public your statement is accurate. But don't forget some people on this forum CAN handle a 400 or 600 HP car on their own. And I don't mean being able to go WOT all the time. I mean knowing when you can afford to go WOT and manage side slip and yaw, and when you have to limit the throttle to 70%.
A small correction on this. Common misconception. ABS does NOT make you stop quicker. Driver best effort (experienced driver) typically can stop feet shorter than ABS. The sole purpose of ABS is to provide an average driver with the ability to steer their vehicle while they are doing a panic stop. ABS will stop shorted versus a driver who stands on the brake pedal no matter what. But it's main job is not to shorten stopping distance, it's to maintain steer ability.
As for the second part, I respectfully disagree. If you know how to drive your car, you don't need traction control, stability control or ABS. You take the side slip into account and simply adjust for it. Doesn't matter if a deer jumps out, it you get cut off, or if you're doing hot laps on a track. You either are in control of your vehicle or you are not.
ABS, TCS and ESP are made for general public who are not skilled, and really can't control their vehicles in evasive maneuvers or during panic stops, or brake in turns. They are in place so your teenage daughter or your gramma don't spin out when they stab the brakes in a turn. Skilled drivers don't need them. This is why in most race applications these systems are not used. They get in the way, and they cannot overcome physics.
ABS does NOT make you stop quicker. Driver best effort (experienced driver) typically can stop feet shorter than ABS. The sole purpose of ABS is to provide an average driver with the ability to steer their vehicle while they are doing a panic stop. ABS will stop shorted versus a driver who stands on the brake pedal no matter what. But it's main job is not to shorten stopping distance, it's to maintain steer ability. As for the second part, I respectfully disagree.
If you know how to drive your car, you don't need traction control, stability control or ABS. You take the side slip into account and simply adjust for it. Doesn't matter if a deer jumps out, it you get cut off, or if you're doing hot laps on a track. You either are in control of your vehicle or you are not. ABS, TCS and ESP are made for general public who are not skilled, and really can't control their vehicles in evasive maneuvers or during panic stops, or brake in turns. They are in place so your teenage daughter or your gramma don't spin out when they stab the brakes in a turn. Skilled drivers don't need them. This is why in most race applications these systems are not used. They get in the way, and they cannot overcome physics.
I would bet the pink slip to my car that, again, less than 10% of people on this board could drive their cars faster around a road course with all the electronics disabled then they could with them enabled, not to mention more consistently and safer. If you're one of that 10%, more power to you.
Really?
Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?
Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?
6/17/14, 06:14 PM
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