Agree with this and with 5.Monster above... it's very hard to push these cars to the point of engaging TCS on the public roads. At the track, I have driven in Sport Mode and with all nannies disabled. At my driving level, I am usually ~2-3 seconds per lap faster with everything off (TCS is not a fan of trail braking amongst other things). But I don't think I've ever engaged TCS on public roads, even when giving demo rides to friends. That is all for warm weather and warm tires...

Cold tires, I leave sport mode on because I get zero traction with cold tires. But that's what my Jeep is for

Recommend finding a biiiiig parking lot, turning TCS fully off, and experimenting with the car. See what the limits or. Even better, go to a track day with a skid pad and learn from some professionals!

 

So do we have to hit the tc button every time??? Or is there a way to disable it???

 

Really?

Hell I still pump my brakes as a driver in charge coming down a 5k icy pass. Regardless of ABS. I don't need a ****ing computer. My road to asz nerve communicates to me just fine.
Thanks to growing up on Missouri winter roads as a yute. What were you doing, playing video games?

 

It's worth noting that many of those "nannies" are more intended for crashes and other unexpected events where you may lose control of your vehicle. It can help you navigate safely around obstacles without spinning the car and throwing you into a tree. Likewise with the ABS, it helps you stop much quicker during a panic stop, especially so if the road surface is slick.

It's not about whether or not you know how to control a car that puts out decent power, but rather it helps you keep control when a deer runs in front of you or some jack **** cuts you off on the freeway.

 

You hit the nail on the head.

 

It defaults to "on" every time you start the car.

 

A small correction on this. Common misconception. ABS does NOT make you stop quicker. Driver best effort (experienced driver) typically can stop feet shorter than ABS. The sole purpose of ABS is to provide an average driver with the ability to steer their vehicle while they are doing a panic stop. ABS will stop shorted versus a driver who stands on the brake pedal no matter what. But it's main job is not to shorten stopping distance, it's to maintain steer ability.

As for the second part, I respectfully disagree. If you know how to drive your car, you don't need traction control, stability control or ABS. You take the side slip into account and simply adjust for it. Doesn't matter if a deer jumps out, it you get cut off, or if you're doing hot laps on a track. You either are in control of your vehicle or you are not.
ABS, TCS and ESP are made for general public who are not skilled, and really can't control their vehicles in evasive maneuvers or during panic stops, or brake in turns. They are in place so your teenage daughter or your gramma don't spin out when they stab the brakes in a turn. Skilled drivers don't need them. This is why in most race applications these systems are not used. They get in the way, and they cannot overcome physics.

 

Not trying to insult anybody who truly has the training and ability to handle a 400+ horsepower car in all kinds of conditions without using tools developed by some of the best vehicle engineers in the world. Like I said, that's a tiny percentage of the general public and a higher but still very low overall percentage of people on this board. Most Mustang owners have never done truly at-the-limit driving beyond a burnout or drag race, and that's not enough to be better than the systems our cars come with today. Again, not trying to insult anybody, I'm nowhere near good enough to drive my car at the absolute limit without those tools either, and I've at least gone through a driver's school and been on racetracks at speed behind the wheel (mostly in a '85 RX-7 though, not in my Mustang!).

I would bet the pink slip to my car that, again, less than 10% of people on this board could drive their cars faster around a road course with all the electronics disabled then they could with them enabled, not to mention more consistently and safer. If you're one of that 10%, more power to you.

You and my Dad both. So have you disconnected the ABS plug on your car?

 

I'm not smart enough to know what I could safely unplug or not - and have it not screw up the entire ECU system. So I turn off TC and manually circumvent ABS.

 

Ha. Always good to not accidentally flat spot tires either.