Some of you are worst than the Bowtie guys.......... Stop comparing Mustang GTs to any hemi Challengers.... or Corvettes... BMW M?........... or Cameros 400hp+. They are not the same cars! Use GT500s instead! ......jeeez!

Edit: Unless The Dodge, Chevy or even the BMW you can buy for less than 25k new?

 

I agree, but Ford needs to give the Mustang a serious dose of HP for the next model. 300HP just isn't a big deal anymore. FWD imports are pushing close to that range with V6s. As far as the comparisons go, the Bullitt is fairly close in price to the Challenger and where the V8 Camaro is expected to be. I know that the Mustang is the old car here but I hope Ford improved upon it significantly for the 10' model. Lets just hope the 400HP rumors are true because it is gonna need that kinda power to compete against the Challenger and Camaro.

 

This is absolutely correct. It has been this way with the foreign FWD(s) for a while now. THAT BOTHERS ME !!!

My main complaint with the 281 in the 2008 BULLITT and the GT/CS package is the SE models don't have much more than the base GT model as far as engines are concerned. Folks can claim otherwise as much as they want but I've seen the results at the drag strip and I can't argue with what I've seen.

An SE should be more than just an extra 15 HP and the SE(s) were traditionally used by the BIG 3 to plug the gap (presntly being a 300/315/ 281 vs. the 500+ 5.4 SC in the Shelby) between performance packages, and prices. They made money that way and they still would. Charging more (or considerably more) for an SE than the base GT model is acceptable IF you get what you pay for. The parts have been on the shelf for the longest time. Some folks have held back because they've felt short-changed. This hasn't sold cars.

We can sit here and speculate all we want, but WHEN the Camaro and Challenger comes out and they go up against the newer BULLITT, etc., and the results don't turn out to be in all us Ford fanatic's favor then we're all going to feel kind of sick, I'm sure. I personally don't want Ford to cause me (and the rest of us who deep down just LOVE the Mustangs) that type of pain.

Maybe some of Yall feel differently ... (???)

For those that do (and don't) I hope everyone is happy with the end results.

 

I'd rather they save the money on the tape/stripe/SE packages and put that into the V6/GT/GT500. 2010-2013... keep it simple
I don't mind a package or 2 (like a sport apperance)

SE's while nice and all...if are for one year, blow some cash on one small run of cars, compared to a 2 or 3 year cycle. UNless like the bullitt, a lot of the parts are FRPP and already present. Or part sharing...

GT parts on a V6 (brakes/handling etc)
or GT500 parts on a GT
The R/D is already there (for the most part)

 

Twin Turbo: Wrong. Chevy has already cancelled the Z28, and will cancel the entire Camaro line in five years or less (the luster of imitations wears off rather quickly). But to Chevy's credit, by the time the Camaro line is extinct once again, the Challenger will have long been history.

 

If the Challenger is only around for a couple of yrs do you think it will be a collectable?

 

Not so fast gang! IMO. The Chevy guys love their Camaros, just as much as we love our very own Mustangs! That being said, realize that there is about a six year waiting line for these folks to get their hands on a brand new generation V-8 Camaro! Between the salty Chevy boomers, the newer Bowtie fans and the diehard Chevy folks, betting "GM" will sell the hell out of these, when they finally do arrive!! Lots of folks will want that last slice of the American V-8 pie with their brand on it, before the pie tin is empty!! I think of those new Chevies and Mopars more as close cousins in this American family. And worry more about all the little foreign turbo sporty jobs out here, taking away the streets of the future, with our own youth driving them around!! Think about that one for a moment, when talking about the last V-8 Wars. Not very pretty!! CalStang Let the flames begin!!

 

You got anything to back up that six year wait claim? I don't doubt there is a list already, but 6 years??? That's just unbelievable.

 

I've been screaming for years for a 350-400hp SE. The R&D has been finished for years - SVT Cobra & Shelby GT500.
It wouldn't be hard to water down the GT500, and make it a 400hp Mach1.

The Mustang GT is a very nice car. But, it is embarrassing to see FWD V6 Honda's that are nearly as fast.
Ford really needed to improve the hp over the years(Continual Improvement). They also knew that Dodge & GM were bringing back their Muscle cars.
Now the 2010 Mustang GT(300hp) has to battle a 375hp Challenger and to make it even worse, the Camaro has a 300hp V6!

We all know a new V8 is on the way, but when? What's the hp? My source told me back in March, that a new GDI V8 would be ready for 2011MY. Now people are talking about a new V8 without DI.

As usual, Ford's timing is terrible, and please don't mention the GT500. Last thing I want to do is over-pay for something.

 

Thats a bit of an overconfident boast, I doubt that the Camaro will have the kinda sales figures that the Mustang generates, but will be around for a while. This Camaro shares a global platform, like the future Mustang and doesn't need as much volume sales to be profitable. The Z28 has been postponed, not canceled. Remember when the Ford reps began telling us that the GT500 (still SVT Cobra at the time) was going to be in production 6 months after the 05' launch? Chevy, unlike Ford is not afraid to put there hi-po engines in just about every model, look at the Caddy and Pontiac line getting some serious SE cars. Don't get me wrong I will always prefer the Mustang, but this new Camaro is gonna kick the crap out of the current car. Lets just hope that the 10' model is a huge improvement over the current model and not just a minor tweak.

 

I agree that the Mustang needs some serious power and a serious alternative between the GT and GT500. I think the 03-04 Mach1 was the perfect SE for it's time. It slotted between the GT and Cobra prefect. All three had great unique looks, power and overall ride.

I think what we need this time around is less SE cars but the few we do have with more content. I say Ford should can the Shelby GT, Bullitt and California Special and Focus on a Mach1 model that is built mainly for acceleration and a drag racer. While they can also bring back the Boss as a more powerful than a base V8 GT but mostly a great handling car. The GT500 would remain as the top dog and take traits from both the Boss and Mach1. What do you guys think???

 

AW: You took my six year statement way too literally! No. Not a name list on paper or on any computer. But a waiting list in the minds of Camaro lovers everywhere. They that have been waiting for a new Camaro every since "GM killed it off in 2002. Basically in laymans terms. IMHO. You have a pent-up buyers demand, that has been waiting for this new car for many years! Believe that this demand shall open up like flood gates, when the newest version arrives at the dealerships. And then all walks of life be it new and or old, will gladly put their money down or borrow what ever it takes to now own one. This is not a GM plug at all. Only stating that they (Camaro Folks) are as we are, with their love affair of their very own pony cars. CalStang

 

With regard to Camaro's global platform, there is more to this story and, right now, it doesn't look good. First, Zeta was intended to underpin a much wider array of vehicles than is now planned with cancellations galore for vehicles like the Chevy Impala and Zeta based Buicks affecting this platforms volume outlook to the tune of six digits figures. That is a huge disparity for any platform..

Even more, while the benefits of economies of scale can be 'spent' a lot of ways when developing a platform GM apparently spent Zeta's benefits on trying to make a premium platform for a bargain price. Ultimately, rumors indicated that Zeta was running into cost over-runs before volume issues came up, which frankly wasn't a surprise since Australia was running the project. (low cost rwd platforms aren't their thing) When the volume issues reared their head it was the worst possible combination, by taking the path they did with Zeta GM had backed themselves into a corner where they had/have to produce the kind of volume they originally intended for this platform or profits would take a huge hit if not disappear entirely. Cost over-runs GM has never owned up to officially but which we now know occurred only served to exacerbate the situation.

Making a terrible situation even worse? GM's lead Zeta product for North America, the G8, is moving slowly to be kind. The newest Pontiac hasn't yet mustered 2k units in a month despite low-ball pricing right out of the gate. Buzz from Holden insiders has recently indicated that future Zeta product plans for NA are contingent upon G8 sales figures, and that is G8 or Camaro under-perform either or both could be pulled from our market in short order.

Z/28 hasn't been canceled yet, and it is indeed too early to be talking about Camaro cancellations. But the situation isn't looking to too good.

 

From my understanding, 2008-09 is the final year for the Shelby GT. As for the Bullitt, I believe the reason why they carried over into 2009 models, was to sell off the remaining 7700 units that weren't sold during the 2008 model year.

I'm not quite sure about the California Special getting canned, but there's already rumors about a possible 2010 Mach 1/Boss.

That being said, the SE line up may look like this: 2010 Mach 1, Boss 302 and GT500 carrying over as the top dog

 

The CS was more of a Pony Package to the GT moreso than any 'SE'
And they won't just throw the mach1/BOSS moniker on anything..it has to be substaintial.

 

That story doesn't sound any different than the current Mustangs.
The G8's are pretty nice. I blame the economy for the slow sales and the fact that they are RWD.
Just bad timing!

 

Ok... that makes sense. I do know someone who has a 2002 Z28 and she has been talking about the "new camaro" ever since the '05 Mustangs came out.

I have to agree that there are a large number of people very anxious to get into the Camaro. I'd be surprised if we don't see the same types of ADMs and long waits that many experienced for the '05 Mustang.

 

DarkCandy08GT: Of course it will--rarity is the engine that powers collectibility! Edsels are collectibles--somehow--but that doesn't mean you should bid on one at Barrett Jackson! Hell, you might be the high bidder and then you're--er, ah, what expression would Boomer use in a case like this ? "Penetrated spirally"? Mmmmm, "Violated with a household fastening device"? Help me out here--I'm on Boomer's coprolite shortlist because of my lack of effete articulation...

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

actually it was for breaking the forum rules and having someone report you, but that's neither here nor there.

 

I wonder if Chrysler will be around in a couple of years.

Daimler was smart to sell when they did.