Return of the SVO?
7/5/08, 10:11 AM
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A S197 is longer, wider & taller than a Fox all of which means more weight.
The unibody of a S197 is about 3 times stiffer in bending & twisting than a Fox unibody which requires more steel.
In addition a S197 has far more safety equipment. Things like the latest side impact regulations which make the door beams much larger and require more metal in the sides of the unibody all add weight.
The unibody of a S197 is about 3 times stiffer in bending & twisting than a Fox unibody which requires more steel.
In addition a S197 has far more safety equipment. Things like the latest side impact regulations which make the door beams much larger and require more metal in the sides of the unibody all add weight.
7/5/08, 10:36 AM
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To me Mustang and V8 sound go hand and hand. I think the turbo four is a cool option but the V8 has to be in the lineup. If not I'd just get the new 370z or G37.
7/5/08, 12:06 PM
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You would think there should be more people into this particular motor. It sounds **** good making 1000HP.. Again I post the video.. When running a 9 sec ET, sounds very romantic to me. LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUar...eature=related
Ford needs to mate this motor, or similar motors to the S197 platform in updated trim, and let Mustang owners decide how they will use them. I would definitely buy a 2.3L I4 S197 Mustang without a doubt.
Some wouldn't go near it. However, thats whats nice about choice. I just don't think we should all be limited to only 1 or 2 engine platforms. Variety is the spice of life! Imagine an S197 with an I4 Turbo making 600RWHP. Which can be done no problem. It would be faster than a S197 Mustang with a V8 with 600RWHP based on weight alone. Considering they had identical suspension and tire setups..
7/5/08, 12:28 PM
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Also bpmurr, I would never even consider paying my money for a Nissan 370 or Infinity G35 over a 2.3L I4 S197 Mustang Turbo..
That motor will pound those cars easily.. Those motors in those cars could never dominate the 2.3L.
However, I am on my 6th Mustang and the only one not to be a V8. To me it goes much deeper than engine size. The V8's sound good, but I would never consider bailing out on the Mustang platform if the V8 platform was canceled, which would never happen..
Lets see
1984 GT350
1988 Mustang Saleen #635
1993 Mustang Cobra
1995 Mustang GT
1964 1/2 289 Hi-Po 4spd
2005 Mustang V6 Turbo
So as you can see I'm in it for the long haul! Call me a loyalist! LOL!
For my next fix, I am looking for a factory V6TT or I4 Turbo. Just waiting patiently.
That motor will pound those cars easily.. Those motors in those cars could never dominate the 2.3L.
However, I am on my 6th Mustang and the only one not to be a V8. To me it goes much deeper than engine size. The V8's sound good, but I would never consider bailing out on the Mustang platform if the V8 platform was canceled, which would never happen..
Lets see
1984 GT350
1988 Mustang Saleen #635
1993 Mustang Cobra
1995 Mustang GT
1964 1/2 289 Hi-Po 4spd
2005 Mustang V6 Turbo
So as you can see I'm in it for the long haul! Call me a loyalist! LOL!
For my next fix, I am looking for a factory V6TT or I4 Turbo. Just waiting patiently.
7/5/08, 12:48 PM
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The car will continue to evolve as needs dictate. If I end up with a 2011 GT with an I4 turbo, I hope it kicks butt.
7/5/08, 01:55 PM
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This video is even hard for me to watch.. LOL! It just goes to show, that "All Mustangs are created Equal". Do not discriminate based on the number of cylinders. Just trust that Ford knows what they are doing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs5Q...eature=related
7/5/08, 07:11 PM
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As much as I've tried to forget it, I still remember the 390. Today's toy 4.6 Mustang is faster than a '60s 390 Mustang. And unlike the 60s 390, today's 4.6 toy runs for 10s of thousands of miles without any maintanence other than oil changes.
7/5/08, 07:19 PM
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7/5/08, 08:05 PM
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Not sure why we must wait until 2010. Ford needs to make a move quick.
We need the SVO now. Ford needs to re-tool the GT500 assembly line to start rolling off SVO's as soon as possible.
At the Ford dealership in my area, there are roughly (20) GT500's sitting on the lot. Delaying things out to 2010 could be an absolute tragedy for Ford!
We need the SVO now. Ford needs to re-tool the GT500 assembly line to start rolling off SVO's as soon as possible.
At the Ford dealership in my area, there are roughly (20) GT500's sitting on the lot. Delaying things out to 2010 could be an absolute tragedy for Ford!
7/5/08, 08:16 PM
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So true. I was watching a Mustang special on Speed. The '69 428 CJ was rated at 370 hp. Roughly 25% more than the current 4.6, while being about 160 ci larger. The 390 was rated at 335hp. Technology sure has moved forward.
7/5/08, 08:50 PM
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Ford has never had perfect timing. I assume that '09's are already available and that this ('09) model year is already cast in stone. I also hope they had enough sense to stop GT500 production (since there not flying off the showroom floor).
7/5/08, 09:01 PM
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Well, I dont mean to start an argument, but the 428 cj was underrated. the real hp numbers were well over 400. They down-played it for insurance purposes.
7/6/08, 05:24 AM
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7/7/08, 08:33 AM
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Although I am a V8 Man, I have always admired the SVO Mustang. I preferred its styling over the GT's.
I think its a great idea, as long as its affordable and doesn't help kill-off my V8's.
I also like the idea of a TTV6, although I am still praying for a 400hp V8.
As for the Focus? Sooner or later there has to be a performance model. But, its not a priority at this stage.
Rumors of a Fusion coupe are interesting, especially if they make a performance model.
I think its a great idea, as long as its affordable and doesn't help kill-off my V8's.
I also like the idea of a TTV6, although I am still praying for a 400hp V8.
As for the Focus? Sooner or later there has to be a performance model. But, its not a priority at this stage.
Rumors of a Fusion coupe are interesting, especially if they make a performance model.
7/7/08, 08:58 AM
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I think that this turbo 4 is of huge importance to Ford. As long as the SVO gets the same performance as the current GT and costs about the same with big fuel savings I'd say its a home run. The thing I hope is that Ford starts using this turbo 4 in their entire lineup. I think Porsche, Audi, and Subaru have proven how useful a turbo 4 or 6 can be. Personally I think forced induction smaller motors is the future of all performance cars in a couple years.
7/7/08, 09:05 AM
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I think that this turbo 4 is of huge importance to Ford. As long as the SVO gets the same performance as the current GT and costs about the same with big fuel savings I'd say its a home run. The thing I hope is that Ford starts using this turbo 4 in their entire lineup. I think Porsche, Audi, and Subaru have proven how useful a turbo 4 or 6 can be. Personally I think forced induction smaller motors is the future of all performance cars in a couple years.
7/7/08, 09:40 AM
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The DOHC motors have a really hard time spooling up and making power down low. I know some Focus and Supra guys and that's their biggest complaint. They envy the low end torque that the 2.3L lima makes and wish they had that. I know the DOHCs flow better and all, but you have to zing them to make any power. They're super doggy off the line, even with the twin turbos.
7/7/08, 09:59 AM
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