Pics & Comparo of my '12 6AT Coupe GT vs. My '11 GT 'Vert 6MT
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Roll the windows down on your coupe, then try closing the door. I think you'll find that it is a lot easier to do. The air seal is much tighter with the windows up.
Congrats on your ride. I like the color.
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If you read the "coupe vs. convertible" part of my review near the top of this thread, you'll see that I just plain prefer the coupe for its better handling, firmer ride, stiffer structure, lighter weight, fully-reclining seats, and better-sounding stereo. These are all features I can enjoy daily, whereas the magic of top-down driving just wasn't feasible/comfortable a high enough percentage of the time.
I still think the Mustang/GT/GT500 convertible is the best convertible available at each repsective price point; I just feel that the coupe makes more sense for me until we move to Southern California.
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Thanks David! I am loving this thing!
Thanks Jason. I thought the windows pulling down that slight bit was why the 'vert's doors closed so easily, but now I know otherwise! I love a good ol' American have-to-slam-the-doors-to-close-'em car anyway!
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TWO MORE OBSERVATIONS
Realized I left 2 items off my comparison above:
'12 vs. '11 or Coupe vs. Convertible categories - The "new car smell" of the '12 is much more "chemical" in nature and less like new leather. Not as pleasant as was the '11's. Don't know if that's something newer for '12 or if it has to do with the hardtop's headliner glue vs. none for the 'vert. Maybe I should sniff more while driving, and find out...![Dunno](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
6AT vs. 6MT category: I haven't mentioned this much, but in addition to the bum leg, my right shoulder is pretty much arthritic toast. No cartilage. Was already scheduled for surgery to scope the cartilage when I fractured the left foot. After the athroscopic surgery on 4/13/11 the shoulder is better but will never be 100%. SOOO, it's kind of painful to extend my right arm and hang it there to adjust radio stations, HVAC, etc. The overly-large Tee-handle of the 6AT's shifter is actually JUST RIGHT to rest my wrist on while making such adjustments, sparing the shoulder any undue loading cycles. And the actual shifting is much more painless. Yet another plus for the 6AT, albeit very specific to me.
'12 vs. '11 or Coupe vs. Convertible categories - The "new car smell" of the '12 is much more "chemical" in nature and less like new leather. Not as pleasant as was the '11's. Don't know if that's something newer for '12 or if it has to do with the hardtop's headliner glue vs. none for the 'vert. Maybe I should sniff more while driving, and find out...
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6AT vs. 6MT category: I haven't mentioned this much, but in addition to the bum leg, my right shoulder is pretty much arthritic toast. No cartilage. Was already scheduled for surgery to scope the cartilage when I fractured the left foot. After the athroscopic surgery on 4/13/11 the shoulder is better but will never be 100%. SOOO, it's kind of painful to extend my right arm and hang it there to adjust radio stations, HVAC, etc. The overly-large Tee-handle of the 6AT's shifter is actually JUST RIGHT to rest my wrist on while making such adjustments, sparing the shoulder any undue loading cycles. And the actual shifting is much more painless. Yet another plus for the 6AT, albeit very specific to me.
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Originally Posted by Double-EDad
Realized I left 2 items off my comparison above:
'12 vs. '11 or Coupe vs. Convertible categories - The "new car smell" of the '12 is much more "chemical" in nature and less like new leather. Not as pleasant as was the '11's. Don't know if that's something newer for '12 or if it has to do with the hardtop's headliner glue vs. none for the 'vert. Maybe I should sniff more while driving, and find out...![Dunno](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
'12 vs. '11 or Coupe vs. Convertible categories - The "new car smell" of the '12 is much more "chemical" in nature and less like new leather. Not as pleasant as was the '11's. Don't know if that's something newer for '12 or if it has to do with the hardtop's headliner glue vs. none for the 'vert. Maybe I should sniff more while driving, and find out...
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You may be right. I think it's subsiding now, @ 3+ weeks since build date. I got my '11 on June 9th, 2010, and it was built on April 13th, so it had more than a month and a half to outgas.
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@OP:
Physical impediments always get a free pass on ATs. Nobody will fault you for not getting a manual if you physically can't drive one. Don't feel bad. Like I've always said, the only people that need automatics are people with physical problems, and people who live at the drag strip. Everybody else is just being a *****!
Physical impediments always get a free pass on ATs. Nobody will fault you for not getting a manual if you physically can't drive one. Don't feel bad. Like I've always said, the only people that need automatics are people with physical problems, and people who live at the drag strip. Everybody else is just being a *****!
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Originally Posted by hawkeye18
@OP:
Physical impediments always get a free pass on ATs. Nobody will fault you for not getting a manual if you physically can't drive one. Don't feel bad. Like I've always said, the only people that need automatics are people with physical problems, and people who live at the drag strip. Everybody else is just being a *****!![Big Grin](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Physical impediments always get a free pass on ATs. Nobody will fault you for not getting a manual if you physically can't drive one. Don't feel bad. Like I've always said, the only people that need automatics are people with physical problems, and people who live at the drag strip. Everybody else is just being a *****!
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Uh-oh, heeere we go! ![Wink](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
My wife's friend thought the juxtaposition of my awesome car with the handicap placard handing from the rear view mirror was funny. Thankfully it's just a temporary permit....![Stick Out Tongue](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
It's funny, but before I had this issue I thought there were WAY too many handicapped spaces everywhere, but now that I need one, I see the situation as exactly the opposite! Someone else always seems to be taking up all the handicapped spaces! LOL
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My wife's friend thought the juxtaposition of my awesome car with the handicap placard handing from the rear view mirror was funny. Thankfully it's just a temporary permit....
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It's funny, but before I had this issue I thought there were WAY too many handicapped spaces everywhere, but now that I need one, I see the situation as exactly the opposite! Someone else always seems to be taking up all the handicapped spaces! LOL
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Consider yourself torched.
I thought my dad was going to get down in the floor laughing after I told him about one conversation with a salesman while looking for Mustangs to test drive.
me: "Why doesn't anyone around here order them with a manual? It is a sports car, for Pete's sake!"
Salesman: "Well, that would be a six speed."
me: "Yeah. So...?"
Salesman: "Ma'am, those are VERY difficult to drive. We would have a hard time selling one."
I burst out laughing and said, "You're kidding, right?"
He says, "No, Ma'am. They are extremely difficult to drive."
As which point I told him I had driven everything from a '29 Model A to an 18 wheeler and most things in between. Never found one I couldn't drive and I can float the gears in most after a little familiarity. "I think I can handle it."
His only response was, "But these are really difficult, Ma'am."
Never even went in to that dealership. Only reason I am buying AT is because the manual is a Chinese POS.
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Originally Posted by Blue Horse
Consider yourself torched.
I thought my dad was going to get down in the floor laughing after I told him about one conversation with a salesman while looking for Mustangs to test drive.
me: "Why doesn't anyone around here order them with a manual? It is a sports car, for Pete's sake!"
Salesman: "Well, that would be a six speed."
me: "Yeah. So...?"
Salesman: "Ma'am, those are VERY difficult to drive. We would have a hard time selling one."
I burst out laughing and said, "You're kidding, right?"
He says, "No, Ma'am. They are extremely difficult to drive."
As which point I told him I had driven everything from a '29 Model A to an 18 wheeler and most things in between. Never found one I couldn't drive and I can float the gears in most after a little familiarity. "I think I can handle it."
His only response was, "But these are really difficult, Ma'am."
Never even went in to that dealership. Only reason I am buying AT is because the manual is a Chinese POS.
But thats a funny story... here in Naples all th rich old hags buy autos. So i gotta order a manual
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Originally Posted by Java2011Mustang
Eric - as mentioned privately, congrats on your new Mustang. It's beautiful and I love the color. I have the 6A trans myself and know you'll enjoy yours, too.
Re the disparity in quality between your 2011 and 2012 that you mentioned, I may have an explanation if your 2011 was built before July 12, 2010. Re Mustang News:
"Ford Reducing Mustang Assembly Plant To One Shift"
"Ford actually plans to increase production of the pony car later this year."
"The shared line will be sped up by about 35% so both cars can be built in one work shift"
The switch to a single shift and increase in production line speed went into effect on July 12, 2010 according to this article.
The loss/reassignment of approximately 900 workers and 35% increase in assembly speed would likely not have a positive effect on build quality (but maybe still within Ford's quality specifications).
Thus, if your 2011 was built before July 12, 2010 ...it was built on an assembly line that gave workers more time for assembly compared to your 2012.
Re the disparity in quality between your 2011 and 2012 that you mentioned, I may have an explanation if your 2011 was built before July 12, 2010. Re Mustang News:
"Ford Reducing Mustang Assembly Plant To One Shift"
"Ford actually plans to increase production of the pony car later this year."
"The shared line will be sped up by about 35% so both cars can be built in one work shift"
The switch to a single shift and increase in production line speed went into effect on July 12, 2010 according to this article.
The loss/reassignment of approximately 900 workers and 35% increase in assembly speed would likely not have a positive effect on build quality (but maybe still within Ford's quality specifications).
Thus, if your 2011 was built before July 12, 2010 ...it was built on an assembly line that gave workers more time for assembly compared to your 2012.
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I took it as a joke. I am old enough it amazes me the people that can't drive a stick. All of my sons can and now both of my DILs can.
I apologize for the thread drift.
To the OP: Congrats on your new car. My opinion doesn't matter but I agree that you should get an auto rather than risk putting yourself in pain and unable to enjoy your toy!
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Blue Horse - Thank you for the congrats.
My mother drove a stick until about age 73. Then at my urging, she bought herself the CR-V (auto of course) that she owned when she died in Feb of last year at age 76. There was no car she could not wrangle b/c she'd been driving since she was 12 (her dad ran a salvage yard & she was a parts runner in the 1940's).
Good story - she taught me how to drive stick when I was 18 - we went to a Datsun dealership (No Nissan in 1980) and test drove a 310GX. It was a POS, but good enough for me to learn with. Once I got the hang of it, we went downtown to the British Leyland dealer and "test drove" a then-new Triumph TR-8 convertible, with a nicely burbling 3.5L V-8. After we were out of sight of the dealer she let me drive it. Man I was on Cloud 9! It was great!
(Wish I could say we bought the TR-8, but we didn't)
My mother drove a stick until about age 73. Then at my urging, she bought herself the CR-V (auto of course) that she owned when she died in Feb of last year at age 76. There was no car she could not wrangle b/c she'd been driving since she was 12 (her dad ran a salvage yard & she was a parts runner in the 1940's).
Good story - she taught me how to drive stick when I was 18 - we went to a Datsun dealership (No Nissan in 1980) and test drove a 310GX. It was a POS, but good enough for me to learn with. Once I got the hang of it, we went downtown to the British Leyland dealer and "test drove" a then-new Triumph TR-8 convertible, with a nicely burbling 3.5L V-8. After we were out of sight of the dealer she let me drive it. Man I was on Cloud 9! It was great!
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On your handi-capped placard, I use one. Mine's not temporary, either! When other, sorry but old, people see a '11 Mustang GT park there, they get pissed!! Especially when they see a 34 yr old getting out. After I pull out my disabled since '02 card, they ease up. I then tell them young & disabled people can drive nice cars.
I had 1 lady almost swipe me with her f'ing cane!!
I went from a vert, totally diff from you though!! Mine was a '95 that's top leaked pretty bad. I don't miss mine @ all now!!!
I had 1 lady almost swipe me with her f'ing cane!!
I went from a vert, totally diff from you though!! Mine was a '95 that's top leaked pretty bad. I don't miss mine @ all now!!!
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Blue Horse - Thank you for the congrats.
My mother drove a stick until about age 73. Then at my urging, she bought herself the CR-V (auto of course) that she owned when she died in Feb of last year at age 76. There was no car she could not wrangle b/c she'd been driving since she was 12 (her dad ran a salvage yard & she was a parts runner in the 1940's).
Good story - she taught me how to drive stick when I was 18 - we went to a Datsun dealership (No Nissan in 1980) and test drove a 310GX. It was a POS, but good enough for me to learn with. Once I got the hang of it, we went downtown to the British Leyland dealer and "test drove" a then-new Triumph TR-8 convertible, with a nicely burbling 3.5L V-8. After we were out of sight of the dealer she let me drive it. Man I was on Cloud 9! It was great!
(Wish I could say we bought the TR-8, but we didn't)
My mother drove a stick until about age 73. Then at my urging, she bought herself the CR-V (auto of course) that she owned when she died in Feb of last year at age 76. There was no car she could not wrangle b/c she'd been driving since she was 12 (her dad ran a salvage yard & she was a parts runner in the 1940's).
Good story - she taught me how to drive stick when I was 18 - we went to a Datsun dealership (No Nissan in 1980) and test drove a 310GX. It was a POS, but good enough for me to learn with. Once I got the hang of it, we went downtown to the British Leyland dealer and "test drove" a then-new Triumph TR-8 convertible, with a nicely burbling 3.5L V-8. After we were out of sight of the dealer she let me drive it. Man I was on Cloud 9! It was great!
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That experience served me well. When hubby and I married I drove a '49 F100. Had to double clutch it. The teenage boys I knew were impressed I could set the choke and start it without flooding it. Darn thing would turn on a dime going right but to the left you better have the proverbial forty acres. I bet your mama would have handled it like a pro, too.
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