Oil separators and fate...(JLT vs Bob's vs Moroso)
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No. That's not engine oil. It's the moisture being filtered out of the oily air circulating through the engine. And no, it's not something you'd pour into your oil. It's a thinner fluid than oil, it's a byproduct of the combustion process that gets suspended in the air in the engine
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That's very interesting Gabe… So if it's not engine oil, oil doesn't just materialize out of thin air. There has to be a source. So if it's recirculating inside, and it's from moisture, where is it really coming from?
This is very interesting pop corn material… I love learning new things.
This is very interesting pop corn material… I love learning new things.
"... A mixture of air and gasoline is pumped through a system of tubes called the intake manifold through each cylinder's intake valve (or valves), where a spark from a spark plug causes the mixture to explode in the open space at the top of the cylinder called the combustion chamber.
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a certain amount of that mixture of air and gasoline is pulled down by the piston and slips through the piston rings into the crankcase, which is the protective cover that insulates the crankshaft. This escaping gas is called blow-by and it's unavoidable."
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So like I said above, it's not oil that gets collected in the catch can.
It's liquefied hydrocarbons from the blow-by that's in the crankcase air being pumped through the PCV system.
It's liquefied hydrocarbons from the blow-by that's in the crankcase air being pumped through the PCV system.
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I'm not seeing the benefit of a catch can.
So on average if it catches 1 oz of oil in 1000 miles, @20 miles to the gallon you'll pull about 6,400 oz of fuel thru the intake.
I think this catch can thing is crazy talk. "The oil is bad and has to be stopped" and some of the same folks that have a catch can think the CAI stock is spot on and perfect.
I lol at alot of you guys.
So on average if it catches 1 oz of oil in 1000 miles, @20 miles to the gallon you'll pull about 6,400 oz of fuel thru the intake.
I think this catch can thing is crazy talk. "The oil is bad and has to be stopped" and some of the same folks that have a catch can think the CAI stock is spot on and perfect.
I lol at alot of you guys.
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/positi...ion-system.htm "... A mixture of air and gasoline is pumped through a system of tubes called the intake manifold through each cylinder's intake valve (or valves), where a spark from a spark plug causes the mixture to explode in the open space at the top of the cylinder called the combustion chamber. ... a certain amount of that mixture of air and gasoline is pulled down by the piston and slips through the piston rings into the crankcase, which is the protective cover that insulates the crankshaft. This escaping gas is called blow-by and it's unavoidable."
I'm not seeing the benefit of a catch can. So on average if it catches 1 oz of oil in 1000 miles, @20 miles to the gallon you'll pull about 6,400 oz of fuel thru the intake. I think this catch can thing is crazy talk. "The oil is bad and has to be stopped" and some of the same folks that have a catch can think the CAI stock is spot on and perfect. I lol at alot of you guys.
What I do know, is all the tuners and performance installers, esp of superchargers and turbochargers, is that it's not as crucial to have it on NA engines. On an FI engine though, it's imperative. Reasons are due to increased compression, octane levels, etc. How much truth there is to that, I don't know. Like I said, I'm learning.
One thing can be certain though...putting a catch can on the car is NOT a bad thing correct? Consider me the "fool" who spent 115 bucks to be "safe".
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What I do know, is all the tuners and performance installers, esp of superchargers and turbochargers, is that it's not as crucial to have it on NA engines. On an FI engine though, it's imperative. Reasons are due to increased compression, octane levels, etc. How much truth there is to that, I don't know. Like I said, I'm learning
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Got an email from Bob's that the standard kits are on back order but in production this week, so it will ship out next week instead of this week. I don't have my car, so that's okay with me. I'm glad they told me asap versus waiting. Little hiccup, but so far their CS is still 10/10 so far...
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Got an email from Bob's that the standard kits are on back order but in production this week, so it will ship out next week instead of this week. I don't have my car, so that's okay with me. I'm glad they told me asap versus waiting. Little hiccup, but so far their CS is still 10/10 so far...
#31
So is the basic 2011+ 5.0 passenger side oil separator for $115 bucks all I need?
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That is VERY interesting to know. So good thing we're doing all the right things. So far, I've put 1k miles since my Maggie upgrade. I hope in that 1k, nothing catastrophic due to blow-by has gotten through Lol...
Gabe, don't wait too long. Why not the Moroso or Bob's?
Patrick... thanks for info. So I will probably have to wait before I get mine too?
Gabe, don't wait too long. Why not the Moroso or Bob's?
Patrick... thanks for info. So I will probably have to wait before I get mine too?
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Still debating... Moroso or bobs. Hmmm.
I also bought that used jlt off of john. Too good a deal to pass up. Will use as a spare or take the connectors off for use with my bobs
I also bought that used jlt off of john. Too good a deal to pass up. Will use as a spare or take the connectors off for use with my bobs
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http://jlttruecoldair.com/ZenCart/in...roducts_id=625
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I'm not seeing the benefit of a catch can.
So on average if it catches 1 oz of oil in 1000 miles, @20 miles to the gallon you'll pull about 6,400 oz of fuel thru the intake.
I think this catch can thing is crazy talk. "The oil is bad and has to be stopped" and some of the same folks that have a catch can think the CAI stock is spot on and perfect.
I lol at alot of you guys.
So on average if it catches 1 oz of oil in 1000 miles, @20 miles to the gallon you'll pull about 6,400 oz of fuel thru the intake.
I think this catch can thing is crazy talk. "The oil is bad and has to be stopped" and some of the same folks that have a catch can think the CAI stock is spot on and perfect.
I lol at alot of you guys.
"What if a customer complains about excessive pinging?
• Verify that only 91 or higher octane fuel is in the fuel tank.
• Verify coolant mixture is at least 50% water.
• Verify that oil consumption is not excessive. If it is, there may be oil in the intake
manifold which is causing the pinging. This is by far the most common cause of reported pinging concerns.
Suggest the use of an oil separator in the PCV line between the passenger side valve cover and the air inlet tube."
I have no idea how they quantify Excessive Oil Consumption however I see no harm in installing a separator and eliminating the possibility of detonation caused by not having one.
Cheap insurance in my opinion.
EDIT:
Just noticed mfc133 mentioned this in post #27 above.
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I'd like to add a little bit of first hand experience to this thread. I got my car today, brand new bone-stock GT 6-speed. Was sitting at EXACTLY 25 kms when I pulled into my garage. Here's some photos of the PCV connector when I pulled it off to install my Moroso can.
It's a little tough to see, but after 25 kms (~15 miles) of very light driving (pouring rain today, I babied this thing home) there's a small puddle in the connector.
I understand that these cars do produce a little more through the PCV during break-in, and it'll subside over time, but that seems like a lot to me, too much not to have a separator on it.
It's a little tough to see, but after 25 kms (~15 miles) of very light driving (pouring rain today, I babied this thing home) there's a small puddle in the connector.
I understand that these cars do produce a little more through the PCV during break-in, and it'll subside over time, but that seems like a lot to me, too much not to have a separator on it.
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Will this JLT conversion kit work with the Magnuson? http://jlttruecoldair.com/ZenCart/in...roducts_id=625
I installed a separator yesterday in advance of my Trackey because of this from Ford Racing Trackey FAQ. "What if a customer complains about excessive pinging? • Verify that only 91 or higher octane fuel is in the fuel tank. • Verify coolant mixture is at least 50% water. • Verify that oil consumption is not excessive. If it is, there may be oil in the intake manifold which is causing the pinging. This is by far the most common cause of reported pinging concerns. Suggest the use of an oil separator in the PCV line between the passenger side valve cover and the air inlet tube." I have no idea how they quantify Excessive Oil Consumption however I see no harm in installing a separator and eliminating the possibility of detonation caused by not having one. Cheap insurance in my opinion. EDIT: Just noticed mfc133 mentioned this in post #27 above.
I'd like to add a little bit of first hand experience to this thread. I got my car today, brand new bone-stock GT 6-speed. Was sitting at EXACTLY 25 kms when I pulled into my garage. Here's some photos of the PCV connector when I pulled it off to install my Moroso can. It's a little tough to see, but after 25 kms (~15 miles) of very light driving (pouring rain today, I babied this thing home) there's a small puddle in the connector. I understand that these cars do produce a little more through the PCV during break-in, and it'll subside over time, but that seems like a lot to me, too much not to have a separator on it.
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Honestly, I'm a touch concerned about the amount that was in there, but not raising the red flags just yet. Going to monitor it over the next 1500 kms or so and empty the can on a regular basis and see how much I get out of it.
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Should also add...you being supercharged and as I recall you were disappointed in your numbers...could there be a degree or two of timing in that thing with a cleaned up intake/PCV system?
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Nah... It was low due to lack of skill of the dyno operator and conditions. I was heat soaked during his one of 4 "test runs" before I even started my 3 "real" runs, within 15 minutes. and his correction factors were way off. I'm getting dyno'd again correctly from a more reputable location.