Hey man if you wanna pay 80k for a toyota thats your business LOL

 

My Rickshaw has never been back to the dealer

 

If I was in the market for a luxury sedan I'd take a Lexus over any of the eurotrash stuff you think is so wonderful.

 

Its funny because all these non european brands always compare themselves to european brands. Not only that but they use them as the benchmark. They make marketing strategies and commercials with the whole premise being centered around "just as good as X european brand, or wow even better than Y european brand"

Have you ever seen a european brand say, just as good as lexus, or ever try to sell a car on such a premise?

LOL

Lexus models cars after their european "rivals", and creates their line up after watching what they do. What do yo you think a lexus es350 is? Its a mentally retarded mans e-class.

Its a good thing they know people like you exist, thats why they put an "L" on their toyotas and only have success selling them in the USA.

You would pay 80k for a toyota instead of getting a c63 AMG, E550 or Audi S6?

 

I've owned two Toyotas, bought new, both of them sucked and had multiple issues. One had constant clutch / suspension problems in cold weather and the other had electronic gremlins so bad that I eventually took a bath on the car and gave it back.

Plus, they are boring to own and boring to drive.

My aunt owns a Mercedes. She spends $700.00 every few years for a rubber grommet that continually fails inside the driveshaft. No thanks. Every time she takes it out on the road for a cruise, it breaks down and she gets another costly repair bill. I have no idea why she keeps the thing.

 

Frankly I couldn't care less who Lexus compares their cars too or who European brands compare their cars too. The fact remains that by and large the European brands aren't that reliable and thus not worth the money.

Secondly I don't see me ever being in the market for a pretentious snob car like a Mercedes or even a Lexus. For the most part people who buy a new luxury sedan are just showing off how much money they have. There's nothing about the ride quality in those cars that I couldn't get in a car that costs a lot less, has fewer problems and lasts longer.

If I was going to buy anything European 80K or higher it would likely be a Porsche.

 

LOL... 5 page thread on a gas cap! Hey, it was a NICE GAS CAP! And other people made it 5 pages, not me Admit it, you LOVE MY THREADS because they're so full of potent potables and topics that make you feel good hahahaha kidding too man.

No worries, it's all good. I agree with your points. And yes, I don't drive a Euro car because I can't afford them either. That being said though, I'd still keep my mustang AND get an M4 or something like that.

LOL well said.

 

All im saying is there is no reason to knock european cars. Ive owned two Mercedes (both were brand new) and never had any issues on them.

I will admit, i did have to recently replace the o2 sensor on my 2011 GLK, but that was warranty work, and it was also the only issue its ever had.

Go look at megafactories on youtube, go look at AMG, go look at how they build their engines.

Dont even have to bother commenting back, just go look for fun when you have some spare time.

 

Haha yeah im just screwing with you man, you put the most care and time in your threads and we all enjoy them because of that.

 

I guess there was a reason to knock domestic brands though right? Even though the overall reliability of the brands you were knocking is actually better than the brands you were praising. See how that works?

As for engine quality, I guess all the Mustang owners around here that have reached the 150, 200 or 250K mile mark on their original engine just got some poorly built engine right?

You know it's not the fact that you like European cars. There's nothing wrong with liking European cars. It's just that for some reason you feel that the only way to like a European car is to declare them orders of magnitude better than the US domestic brands even though facts and reality differ with your point of view. So basically you just have no real objectivity and you want everyone to just accept your fantasy. Sorry I'm not into your fantasy.

 

European cars are superior. Plain and simple.

The best and most serious cars in the world are European.

True?

 

^^^ yowp! Ford invented the Pony Car. They know how to market cars. I think the '15 knows its niche and will succeed in it.

Check out the 6G blogs. Tons of foreign car owners in the US are switching over to the 550.

My only hope, to kyler's point, is that the enthusiasts stay loyal, too.

 

If I'm in the market again for a "muscle car", despite my loyalty to the brand and the niche itself, I'm not so sure I will buy the S550 over let's say a Hellcat or Z28. Again, this was due to the actual test drive I did of the S550. That's my main point of this whole thread. Not sure I dig the overall feel and direction of the S550. It might grow on me over time, or if the hellcat and z28 become less raw too.

Why is that? Well, I think most folks would agree that the new S550 isn't the same as the Mustangs of yore, or what it used to be, so to speak. (As of now) I like more what it "used to be". Unrefined. Loud. Visceral. Raw. Full of road, car, and "feel". Unfiltered.

 

A Z28 or Hellcat cannot be compared to a current S550.....not even apples to apples in comparison.
The Z28 starts ~ $70K, Hellcat ~$60K I think and both performance and price wise aren't comparable. Both sweet cars all the same.


The new Shelby GT350 & 350R will be more in that league (track performance wise more than anything else) and with the drivetrain and other tweaks wouldn't share much with the regular S550 offering other than partial looks.
I think global markets for the S550 will be decent just for the novelty of it if not anything else. Some will stay with it and become Mustang enthusiasts and some won't just like anything else.

As increasing café standards make their way into the product line up we will see more turbo cars and I think the term "muscle car" in the next decade may have a different definition at least as far as new cars are concerned.

To be fair, I haven't driven an S550 yet but likely will get a chance soon so I am anxiously waiting for the opportunity to give it a rip. The car has a smaller presence and looks nimble so I think with a 5.0 it should be a good experience.
As I am driving it I will no doubt wonder if I could give up my '14 for it as many others here have so that will be interesting.

I can tell you one thing, both GM and Chrysler are watching Ford like a hawk.
The S550, GT350R and new GT are not anticipated offerings but have gone in a different direction in drivetrain and design so as the mustang created the trend in '64 could this be a reset for the future of the 2 door, rear drive performance market?
We'll see but I am enjoying this myself because I am a motor head at heart....if it's got a motor and wheels I'll give it a go.

 

Completely subjective.

 

From a benchmarking standpoint XTC is absolutely correct.
Most manufacturers benchmark BMW and Benz among others.
Even the Boss was benchmarked after a BMW M3.
Whether or not they "ARE" the best is absolutely subjective as you rightly say.

I have an Acura TL tech AWD that is a much better car than the Audi A4 Quattro it replaced. It is more of a drivers car than the Audi was.
However, the Acura has been in the shop for mechanical issues that were disappointing but quickly resolved.
I am replacing the Acura in the next few months and it is between the Acura TLX tech AWD, Audi A4 s line or a BMW 335 x drive at the moment.
I may give Infiniti a shot to see what their new Q50 sport AWD is like.
I buy what gives the best seat of pants feel and puts a smile on my face performance wise.

 

That's precisely my point. They are NOT comparable! Because the S550 is (now) that much different! I speak of the S550 generically for the whole lineup. I know I mentioned Hellcat (Challenger) and Z28 (Camaro) because that's the next step up I would take...since the S550 doesn't have a current Shelby version to match up. The GT350 is trying, but we'll see.

So again, my point is that they are now drastically different, and thus can NOT be compared. Exactly. And I'm saying I prefer the genre/niche/style of the challenger and camaro because they are the last remaining (for now) muscle car type vehicles.

As I stated in my 1st post, I too, haven't driven the S550 5.0 yet. Perhaps my thoughts on it will change, but from what I gathered from my drive of the Ecoboost 4, the overall "feel" of the car should be almost the same...that is, the steering, the interior feel, the sound isolation, some of the handling (the one I drove had the full loaded options, PP, etc)... I would venture to guess the major difference will be power, obviously. But even to that degree, it still won't change how the S550 "feels" overall compared to my S197 and older stangs. Hence, my preference is the older style.

I think you or someone else mentioned that the "muscle car" era is dying or dead....unfortunately, that sucks. Because that's what I really enjoy. I came from driving Japanese style cars. Smooth, quiet, etc etc. Then I drove my 12, and I LOVED it. So different. And that's what I crave, that American rawness. The S550 is taking a step towards what I was trying to get away from. LOL. So be it...

I have an Acura TSX for my daily. And the characteristic differences between that car (Tori) and my 12 S197 (Marilyn) are night and day. I'd never consider a Japanese import for a fun toy car. I enjoy it for those daily driving needs...quiet and smooth and reliable. I want my mustang for when I feel evil and naughty.

 

Depends on point of reference. Are they better overall - yes.

Are they a better overall value - no.

Also I don't believe people only buy expensive sedans to show off their money. Some are enthusiasts that prefer that style of car.

 

All things with a spark plug break.


Question is, was yours sooner or later. Friend has a $100,000 2012 8 series. It spends a lot of time in the shop.


I've had a number of Chevy trucks. Never once we're they in the shop except a recall or oil change. Of course they all rusted out on me.


If there was a "best" car, everyone would buy it. But to each his own. I have zero interest in a charger, and less in a challenger, thought I'd like a Camaro and ended up with a Pony that I had no interest in.


They all break and they all have cars that have gone remarkable distances and years. Personally, I don't want a car that long. Rather get something.....cooler when it comes around.

 

BOOM!