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Hey how about this to put fuel in the fire. These cars cost about the same and though it is a different kind of car offers the same if not better performance than a Mustang GT.
2009 Subaru WRX $26,660 2.5L turbo producing 265 hp 244 ft-lbs
0-60 in just 4.8 sec and 1/4 in just 13.5
lets not forget the handling benefits of AWD
I know it's not a car to steal Mustang sales but still impressive.
2009 Subaru WRX $26,660 2.5L turbo producing 265 hp 244 ft-lbs
0-60 in just 4.8 sec and 1/4 in just 13.5
lets not forget the handling benefits of AWD
I know it's not a car to steal Mustang sales but still impressive.
I do agree that dollar for dollar, you'll be hard pressed to find much of anything that could keep up with the current GT, the 2011 will be even harder to beat. Just like dollar for dollar, I believe the mustang could out run the new competition from GM and Chrysler.
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How is Ford's turbo 4 better? Do they even offer one yet? Not only has Subaru been dealing with turbo 4s for years now keep in mind that the range topping STI is putting out over 300hp!
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mazda's DISI turbo 4 that's basically the ecoboost
here's the article:
http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/te...zda_disi_2-3l/
here's the article:
http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/te...zda_disi_2-3l/
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mazda's DISI turbo 4 that's basically the ecoboost
here's the article:
http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/te...zda_disi_2-3l/
here's the article:
http://wardsauto.com/reports/2008/te...zda_disi_2-3l/
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The final EcoBoost product is supposed to be a fair bit more efficient and more powerful than the DISI. Think of the Mazda as a prototype.
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Exactly. Seems Ford wanted to utilize the GTDi Mazda engine as a basis for the Ecoboost engines but the Mazda unit fell well short of expectations. Ford is starting with the same basic engine block, but the heads and induction/turbo setup are completely different.
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Maybe it's just me but besides the Mustang, doesn't Mazda seem to have a funner lineup than Ford? Cars like the Miata, RX-8, Mazdaspeed 3 and Mazda 6 all seem way funner and sportier than anything Ford has.
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Sorry, I don't get it? What Ford is supposed to be more conservative, while Mazda is geared toward the youth? I can somewhat understand that, but Ford should have a fun American brand. Make Mercury what Mazda is right now.
I'm not sure if it is still in the works but the latest rumors I have heard is that Ford is exporting many of it's European models to the US exclusively for the Mercury lineup.
I'm not sure if it is still in the works but the latest rumors I have heard is that Ford is exporting many of it's European models to the US exclusively for the Mercury lineup.
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That would NOT be a bad idea! Considering Ford's overseas vehicles kick major a-- and the Mercury lineup could use some serious crutch therapy.
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I hope that Mercury's next full size sedan is based off of the current RWD Falcon. Ford has pretty much confirmed cars like the Fiesta and Euro Focus coming to the states I just hope they hurry up and do it before they run out of resources. Maybe even use the RWD falcon as a possible future T-Bird? Or just bring the Falcon state-side and keep it's name.....
Oh did I mention that Ford should bring us the Aussie Falcon! I'd love to own one of these. It is the kind of car the 02-05 T-Bird should have been! Think about it, a full size sedan that will kick the tar out of your 05-09 GT!
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its hard to take some of these people seriously. they just spout off ignorant statements and aren't interested in rational debate because it makes it more difficult to chant anti ford cliches. the older guys are alright, but the younger guys coming from imports and who are straight regurgitating what they read or watch somewhere else are beyond debating
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The new Camaro looks terrific and I'm sure it will perform well...maybe even better than the mustang, but so what. So do Corvettes, and Nissan GT-R, etc. I don't like Camaros, so I won't buy one. Plus, we've sung this song before...just second verse...same as the first. This '05 I have is my 8th Mustang, so I'm part of the faithful, but I also recognize the compromises Ford strikes with the car and for my money (which is what ultimately counts), the Mustang does the pony car best.
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its hard to take some of these people seriously. they just spout off ignorant statements and aren't interested in rational debate because it makes it more difficult to chant anti ford cliches. the older guys are alright, but the younger guys coming from imports and who are straight regurgitating what they read or watch somewhere else are beyond debating
I'm not poking fun at Ford perhaps there market strategy is shifting more to the Toyota mold of making efficient, reliable cars with little to no thrills just point A to B transportation. Ford used to have fun to drive cars besides the Mustang, I'd include the first gen focus, probe, escort etc... Today the Cobalt and Civic are way more fun than the Focus. The Fusion is an improvement, but Ford's own cousin Mazda makes funner 4 door sedans. How can I be anti-Ford if I own a couple? It's too bad for those of you who have blind loyalty to one particular car brand, you guys miss out on a lot of cool cars versus settling for something else.
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not you at all man, sorry i was talking about the camaro heads... the new ones that are switching from japanese imports and are indoctrinated that domestics, Ford especially, aren't good cars