You can't if SAE certified. The 2010 Camaro V6 wasn't SAE certified. Chevy could of said it had 200HP.

If you publish SAE certified #s, those are the numbers. If SAE certifies it, and you decide to say it has 20HP less than the SAE rating, you can no longer publish the # as "SAE Certified".

 

I see so the 304 HP for the Camaro was GM's estimate and the new 312 HP is SAE. So the new 5.0 and 3.7 HP numbers not SAE certified numbers and could be low or high until certified?

 

This may be a really dumb thought/opinion, but could there be a strategic reason Ford would announce, yet delay, the release of certain options or colors? Would there be a purpose to keep people purchasing vehicles through out the model year, as opposed to a spike during a portion of the year? Just a thought. I don't know if it would really matter when the vehicles were sold, but other than supplier issues or anticipating something coming from the competition that they'd want to stay ahead of, it's the only reason I can think of.

 

yes true

 

^ not dumb at all.. that's exactly what they're doing

 

GM = corporate failure

and friends don't let friends drive GM

 

Thank goodness for Mulally or Ford would have been a goner too. They were a good ol' boys club.

 

Ford had a few things going for it that GM didn't - namely a lot of cash on hand at the right time and a slightly better union contract.

plus they were ahead of the competition is releasing brand new models

and of course the S197 Mustangs didn't hurt either!

 

Ford had cash because they mortgaged nearly 100% of their assets!!!

 

regardless of why or where, it worked out (thank god).

I just wish that Obama had let GM go under.

and friends don't let friends drive GM

 

It worked in the short term. These loans are coming due, aka chickens coming home to roost. We'll see what happens.

I wish Obummer would stay the hell out of private industry and read the Constitution.

 

maybe you we're paying attention, but Ford (ironically) bought back a lot of there debt Bonds for pennies on the dollar during the height of the melt down a year ago. (and used the borrowed money to do it too)

Then they sold off Jaguar, Rover and Asten Martin (and now Volvo!).
Now they're flush with cash and they're still paying a dividend too
Everything is looking up - for the moment .........

 

Ford currently has $132,000,000,000 in debt based on last quarterly, if you were paying attention. This number is AFTER the March 29th revolving debt payment of $3 bil.

 

Awesome, politics in a car thread again. What the hell, I'll take a stab at it. I'm not crazy about the bailouts either but lets not portray them as something they're not, ie a sinister government takeover. GM got a couple of loans (albiet a huge amount) from the government, that's it. They (the gov) have no more say in the direction of GM than the bank that you all got your car loan from has in the say of how you maintain and care for (and mod) your car. I guess it's a choice between this: let GM go under, which means the loss of all jobs and local revenue connected to GM (factory workers, car salesmen, auto techs, supply manufacturers, truck drivers, etc). Or give GM a loan with our tax dollars and let them atempt to turn the ship around (no guarentee and isn't a free market economy). Neither choice is very good but I'd rather not see over 1 million more people lose their jobs. Sucks either way, though.

 

Just loans. Nothing about disolving shareholder ownership and handing it to the UAW or anything like that.... my bad. They had no say either, like replacing CEO's, nothing like that. \

LOL. Ignorance is bliss, I wish I were dumb too =D

 

You mean the CEO who failed at his job? God what a horrible thing his firing was. I wish I had your "intelligence".

 

Change the subject much? Ends justifies the means, right Barrack?

 

Gee, I wish I could be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company in your world. That way, I could preside over my company nearly going belly up and needing the federal government bail me out. Oh yeah, doing that screws a lot of people (current bondholders) but the alternative would be to let my company die and screw all my employees and everyone who supports my business. Sign me up, Karl Rove.

 

Hi there.

 

Hi Carl. How's your dad's GT500? Wax it for him today?