Done with dealers touching my mustang
6/28/12, 02:23 PM
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Old wisdom over corporate greed? The problem with old wisdom is that it's old... out of touch with current technology.
Corporate greed is just a demon people use to explain business decisions. I don't know of anybody who buys a car based on how many oil changes they will have to make in the next several years. It certainly wasn't one of my considerations. If it was not good for the engine, manufacturers wouldn't recommend extended service intervals because it would cost them far more in warranty claims. Sure, most cars would still get past the end of the warranty before experiencing problems with longer service intervals but a larger percentage would experience problems within the warranty period. That would cost the manufacturer far more than any perceived difference in total cost of ownership would affect sales.
Using your logic, you should be replacing your spark plugs every 10,000 miles like we used to do in the 60s and 70s. That's the old wisdom. Of course modern cars don't require that because of the improved technology. It's the same with oil.
And nobody is talking about making the oil last. We just don't want to spend money unnecessarily when we could spend it on other things. I don't care how much one makes, wasting money is always foolish.
Corporate greed is just a demon people use to explain business decisions. I don't know of anybody who buys a car based on how many oil changes they will have to make in the next several years. It certainly wasn't one of my considerations. If it was not good for the engine, manufacturers wouldn't recommend extended service intervals because it would cost them far more in warranty claims. Sure, most cars would still get past the end of the warranty before experiencing problems with longer service intervals but a larger percentage would experience problems within the warranty period. That would cost the manufacturer far more than any perceived difference in total cost of ownership would affect sales.
Using your logic, you should be replacing your spark plugs every 10,000 miles like we used to do in the 60s and 70s. That's the old wisdom. Of course modern cars don't require that because of the improved technology. It's the same with oil.
And nobody is talking about making the oil last. We just don't want to spend money unnecessarily when we could spend it on other things. I don't care how much one makes, wasting money is always foolish.
6/28/12, 03:21 PM
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And, should you think the longer oil change interval thing is a relatively new phenomenon, check this out:
That pic was taken of the engine compartment of a '69 Mach I, I believe. 43 years ago.
That said, I've gone by every 5,000 miles or 3 months for my cars because I've always used the argument that it's cheap preventative maintenance - nobody ever had a motor blow because they changed the oil too often. However, I did a Blackstone Labs report on my last one, which you can see below:
Based on this, I may start extending the interval a bit more. I understand where Gster and others are saying though. We've all seen the 3,000 mile number for so long that it's tough to get past it - shows you the power of good, consistent marketing messages by the quick lube places. Yes, I work in marketing so I always like pointing out places where "we" did our job, as almost everyone says, "advertising doesn't affect me at all!"
That pic was taken of the engine compartment of a '69 Mach I, I believe. 43 years ago.
That said, I've gone by every 5,000 miles or 3 months for my cars because I've always used the argument that it's cheap preventative maintenance - nobody ever had a motor blow because they changed the oil too often. However, I did a Blackstone Labs report on my last one, which you can see below:
Based on this, I may start extending the interval a bit more. I understand where Gster and others are saying though. We've all seen the 3,000 mile number for so long that it's tough to get past it - shows you the power of good, consistent marketing messages by the quick lube places. Yes, I work in marketing so I always like pointing out places where "we" did our job, as almost everyone says, "advertising doesn't affect me at all!"
6/28/12, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JCStang
I'm tired of them touching it...literally! I stopped the other day to get a Mustang brochure and one of the sales guys comes out...first off, once again, they ask if my Performance Package wheels are stock.....then he comments on how deep and wet the paint looks and before i can say anything he reaches out and rubs it.....then a few days later i take it in for it's first oil change (only had 1900 miles on it but i have had it since last october so thought i would get the first one out of the way). I happen to look out the window overlooking the work area and after the guy shut the hood he reaches out and rubs the front of the hood as if to remove his greasy finger prints....when i went out to get the car, the door and hood were covered in finger prints....might have looked goofy, but I immediately open the trunk, pull out a microfiber towel and my detail spray and remove the prints.
6/28/12, 03:42 PM
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When using semi synthetic, your intervals would be alright if you want to be that way. Full synthetic can go way above 5 to 6K.
I for one take extreem pride in my Mustang. Oil changes every 8 to 10K now. Ford said they added an extra quart to the pan to extend the oil change interval.
I got castrated awhile back for questioning the engineers relating to an oil issue. Learned that lesson. Now I follow the recomendations.
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6/28/12, 04:00 PM
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Did that actually work? I can remember all the jokes on the radio and late night TV about who would actually pay attention to those instructions. But I suppose if it's necessary to put warnings like "remove infant before folding" on baby strollers then it's possible that some people thought "repeat" was important.
6/28/12, 04:03 PM
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There's another guy on this forum who changed it several times prior to reaching 5k miles...simply, utterly wasteful, both in money and oil. Yes, the oil is recycled but it's impossible to return 100% of the used oil to a usable product, even if all you've done is run it in the car for 100 miles. Changing the oil in a mustang that is less than five years old more often than the recommended intervals for the usage it gets from you is ignorant, stubborn and wasteful. No, it DOESN'T provide a benefit, whether you think it does or not. It DOES waste a very important commodity in our society and makes the gas prices go up, among other things. The engines are designed to use this oil over a certain interval. It is a MUCH heavier-duty lubricant than what we had even ten years ago, let alone compared to what your dad used. Hey, why take the risk at 3000 miles? Wouldn't 2000 be even better protection/show even more pride in your car? Hell, by that measure, unless you change your oil every time you drive it into the garage, you don't have REAL pride in your car. Come on.
And I'm sorry, but those of you complaining about the service techs daring to touch your car when they service it...good lord. Yes, it's goofy. No, their fingerprints are not going to permanently **** up your paint job. If you care that much about it, you'll probably spend the very next entire Saturday afternoon polishing/waxing/treating/clay-barring it anyway, which means it will be gone from your car in less than a week. I understand guys loving their cars, and I keep my mouth shut about most of the things talked about on here, but this is just patently absurd.
And I'm sorry, but those of you complaining about the service techs daring to touch your car when they service it...good lord. Yes, it's goofy. No, their fingerprints are not going to permanently **** up your paint job. If you care that much about it, you'll probably spend the very next entire Saturday afternoon polishing/waxing/treating/clay-barring it anyway, which means it will be gone from your car in less than a week. I understand guys loving their cars, and I keep my mouth shut about most of the things talked about on here, but this is just patently absurd.
6/28/12, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucko
I firmly disagree. Has nothing to do with pride with the car. I have plenty of that, as well as my 2005 F150 with over 130K. It got oil changes at either 5K when I used semi synthetic, or 8 to 9K when I used full synthetic. I bought what was on sale (semi verses full synthetic) at the time.
When using semi synthetic, your intervals would be alright if you want to be that way. Full synthetic can go way above 5 to 6K.
I for one take extreem pride in my Mustang. Oil changes every 8 to 10K now. Ford said they added an extra quart to the pan to extend the oil change interval.
I got castrated awhile back for questioning the engineers relating to an oil issue. Learned that lesson. Now I follow the recomendations.
When using semi synthetic, your intervals would be alright if you want to be that way. Full synthetic can go way above 5 to 6K.
I for one take extreem pride in my Mustang. Oil changes every 8 to 10K now. Ford said they added an extra quart to the pan to extend the oil change interval.
I got castrated awhile back for questioning the engineers relating to an oil issue. Learned that lesson. Now I follow the recomendations.
I remember that man. Lol. Sorry
Originally Posted by kcoTiger
There's another guy on this forum who changed it several times prior to reaching 5k miles...simply, utterly wasteful, both in money and oil. Yes, the oil is recycled but it's impossible to return 100% of the used oil to a usable product, even if all you've done is run it in the car for 100 miles. Changing the oil in a mustang that is less than five years old more often than the recommended intervals for the usage it gets from you is ignorant, stubborn and wasteful. No, it DOESN'T provide a benefit, whether you think it does or not. It DOES waste a very important commodity in our society and makes the gas prices go up, among other things. The engines are designed to use this oil over a certain interval. It is a MUCH heavier-duty lubricant than what we had even ten years ago, let alone compared to what your dad used. Hey, why take the risk at 3000 miles? Wouldn't 2000 be even better protection/show even more pride in your car? Hell, by that measure, unless you change your oil every time you drive it into the garage, you don't have REAL pride in your car. Come on.
And I'm sorry, but those of you complaining about the service techs daring to touch your car when they service it...good lord. Yes, it's goofy. No, their fingerprints are not going to permanently **** up your paint job. If you care that much about it, you'll probably spend the very next entire Saturday afternoon polishing/waxing/treating/clay-barring it anyway, which means it will be gone from your car in less than a week. I understand guys loving their cars, and I keep my mouth shut about most of the things talked about on here, but this is just patently absurd.
And I'm sorry, but those of you complaining about the service techs daring to touch your car when they service it...good lord. Yes, it's goofy. No, their fingerprints are not going to permanently **** up your paint job. If you care that much about it, you'll probably spend the very next entire Saturday afternoon polishing/waxing/treating/clay-barring it anyway, which means it will be gone from your car in less than a week. I understand guys loving their cars, and I keep my mouth shut about most of the things talked about on here, but this is just patently absurd.
But as far as being worried about other people like service techs touching my paint and scratching it, yes that does bother me. Very much so. If you don't think the human finger/skin can scratch todays very soft clear coats, meet up with me sometime. I'll show you just how sensitive paint is. Swirls and scratches are so easily done. in fact, I remember one time, I just tried feeling my paint after applying a new lsp....what happened after? My finger left remnants of light scratching. yes, I had to remove it via a buffer. Was it necessary? to most people...no. To me yes.
In the end, a select few of us MUST have our paint PERFECT. And I am proudly one of those. So yes, a dealer service tech touching my car would royally **** me off. Can my car be buffed by me anyways to be perfect again? Yes. But so what? It's MY car. And I have the right to have it perfect by my own standards. Besides did you know that whenever it gets buffed, a certain amount of clear coat gets removed? So less touching is better....lol
So to some people, if some people are okay with scratches from other people touching their car....that's fine. I respect them for it. But I expect the same for me.
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6/28/12, 05:42 PM
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I go 5000 on my truck with Royal Purple. I'm going to change the oil in the Mustang this weekend, it just turned 1100 miles, probably go back with Royal Purple and a Wix filter. I've never seen an oil change place that has filled the filter before installing it. That's a pet peeve of mine. 10K miles is a long time, but I have a buddy with a 92 Chevy 4door 2wd dually, '93 Cummins, Eaton 10spd on 22's. He uses Amsoil, and takes oil samples and has them analyzed and then decides on when to change. I know he has gone over 10K miles many times.
6/28/12, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kcoTiger
Fine. Prove to me otherwise.
6/28/12, 05:53 PM
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You guys are thinking small scale....
Take 1million people changing their oil 3k miles x8qts
Take 1million people changing their oil 10k miles x8qts
How much oil do you think you'll be saving as a whole.....quite a bit. Think about the whole picture not just yourself.
Take 1million people changing their oil 3k miles x8qts
Take 1million people changing their oil 10k miles x8qts
How much oil do you think you'll be saving as a whole.....quite a bit. Think about the whole picture not just yourself.
6/28/12, 07:03 PM
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Hey why not let your engine go 20000 heck let it go 30000 you don't want to waste a precious commodity that there discovering more and more every day. Even though most of it is synthetic and has nothing to do with crude. Come on man save the world.
6/29/12, 05:31 AM
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And you have more money to fish with. That's the important part.
6/29/12, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucko
Foolish. Simply go with the recommendations Ford puts out. Your warranty is good, and your wallet benefits.
And you have more money to fish with. That's the important part.
And you have more money to fish with. That's the important part.
6/29/12, 07:05 AM
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I live in a very hot and dusty climate,...I'll go every 3k. If an NDI or engineer came down and told me I could do it at 8k miles and be fine I wouldn't listen. I will continue to waste money on my 3k intervals here in the valley.