2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

Confirmation of the 5.0 with 400 HP for the 2010?

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Old May 14, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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this is wrong on so many levels that it's hard to know where to start: instead of taking weight out of the 2010 model they're making the engine bigger?...while gas is going for 4.00/gallon in my neck of the woods. the only thing i can figure is that management is caught between a rock and a hard place: they had already started development on the bigger v8 and decided to "hope" that the fuel prices would drop and they would be able to sell v8 powered mustangs. hell of a gamble in my book....


i understand that the bigger v8 will get better fuel numbers, but unless they do something dramatic like use cylinder deactivation at idle and cruising or better yet, use a "mild" hybrid like gm does in the malibu, which allows the engine to shut off completely at idle and run off the battery pack...it doesn't have the fuel economy increases like a full hybrid but it's much cheaper and still makes a big dent in fuel consumption for around town driving.

hopefully, the rumors are just that and ford will come to their senses and go with their turbo gameplan instead of a v8, unless it has the techno goodies.


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Old May 14, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Turbo costs more than the standard v8 to be sure.

And coupled with a 6speed, the car will more than likely get better gas mileage than the lowly 300hp GT we have currently.

They DID cancel the big V8..it was the 5.8/6.2 Boss engines that were going to go into the mustang, this is the 'smaller' engine plan.

It doesn't need cylinder deactivation to achieve good gas mileage.
More HP, Less weight, more efficient engine, 6 speed
what more do you want? I'd say its right on so many levels...compared to the previous car which was great to begin with (cheap 300hp by comparison to others)

They have to think ahead to this new GWRD platform though...
Probably when GDI will become standard to help with fuel savings while adding more HP as well.

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Old May 15, 2008 | 05:36 AM
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people don't buy v8 mustangs for fuel sipping frugality. a mustang is a vehicle of passion, especially when coupled with the highest performance engines available like a v8 or turbo v6.

what you are looking for "justgreat" is a standard pony car like the NA v6. that vehicle was designed with the "general" buying public in mind who's primary concerns are things like price and mpg.

and seriously, a hybrid mustang would be a waste of a mustang. i'm pretty sure the sound and constant power of the motor both at idle and at speed are what has turned people onto them.
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Old May 15, 2008 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by justgreat
this is wrong on so many levels that it's hard to know where to start: instead of taking weight out of the 2010 model they're making the engine bigger?...while gas is going for 4.00/gallon in my neck of the woods. the only thing i can figure is that management is caught between a rock and a hard place: they had already started development on the bigger v8 and decided to "hope" that the fuel prices would drop and they would be able to sell v8 powered mustangs. hell of a gamble in my book....


i understand that the bigger v8 will get better fuel numbers, but unless they do something dramatic like use cylinder deactivation at idle and cruising or better yet, use a "mild" hybrid like gm does in the malibu, which allows the engine to shut off completely at idle and run off the battery pack...it doesn't have the fuel economy increases like a full hybrid but it's much cheaper and still makes a big dent in fuel consumption for around town driving.

hopefully, the rumors are just that and ford will come to their senses and go with their turbo gameplan instead of a v8, unless it has the techno goodies.


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this is not an either or proposition as it seems you are insinuating. it is simply one engine option being reported on and is in no way releated to any other engine options nor any weight reduction measures, nor any other means of fuel economy improvements that may be in development.

this simply has zero bearing on any of that. None of these measures are mutually exclusive, thus ford can be working on all the areas you bring up as well as this new engine, which according to the articlette is not only bigger resulting in more HP and Torque, but is more efficient resulting in better fuel economy than the 4.6 presently being used.

you should not see this as what ford is doing INSTEAD of weight reductions, et al. you should simply look at it as one of the things ford is doing, because no one really knows what else is going on and there is nothing about this engine that makes it impossible for the other things you state to be persued as well.

it is quite simply put, NOT an *either/or* situation.
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Old May 15, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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Mopar doesn't even have cylinder deactivation figured out for manual transmissions for the upcoming 6speed Challengers for 09. The automatic Challengers will have cylinder deactivation for low load driving.

But seriously, the v-6 will be the fuel sipper for general consumption but give me a v-8! As long as the v-8 sells (and based on how a lot of them are driven as second cars, "toys", track or show primarily) they should make it.

Don't pull it out of the line-up based on current skyrocketing gas prices until people stop buying them. It is bad enough the feds regulate CAFE and emissions standards (read--causing artificial fuel supply and demand issues for some areas). The feds should be mandating more refineries because even if oil barrel prices were lower, it is the conversion to auto fuel by the dwindling number of refineries (each already at above max capacity, I might add) that would still increase the price we pay for gas due to supply and demand.

Don't forget that the main reason behind the previous increase in SUV and truck sales/ownership over the last 10 to 15 years was because we grew weary of small bodied, small engined cars that had no "entertainment" value (not that the Mustang needs to gain in girth).
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Old May 15, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Infirm

people don't buy v8 mustangs for fuel sipping frugality. a mustang is a vehicle of passion,
However people do NOT buy Mustangs because of their inefficiency.

There are not enough passionate customers to go around, so the Mustang needs to change with the times and make sure that it appeals to people with more econimic sense than passion.
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Old May 15, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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hey I rather have a mustang that has a 5.0 and not get better gas mpg than the 4.6 and gas prices doesent bother me at all.
It dont matter what mpg as long as your happy wiht the choice you made
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Old May 15, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mot250
The feds should be mandating more refineries because even if oil barrel prices were lower, it is the conversion to auto fuel by the dwindling number of refineries (each already at above max capacity, I might add) that would still increase the price we pay for gas due to supply and demand.
Don't forget all the different states that require all the different types of refined gasoline and at different seasons of the year. Or that we can't drill here and we can't drill there. We need to pull our heads out of our asses and let the industry drill and refine their oil. I want clean air and water but f**k the environment if we're all walking and speaking arabic.
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