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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 07:35 AM
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Some people can't take hints can they??
Nope

Then again, anything can happen...and things can change.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:28 AM
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I agree the D35 will be the base engine and the GT will not come standard with a 400 hp engine of any displacement. Here's my guess on the topic

- Base: 3.5L V6, 265 hp
- GT: 4.6L V8, 315 hp
- Boss: 5.0L, 400 hp
- GT500 replacement: 5.0L TT, 500 hp
This seems very plausible. I might add a 10-20hp to the D35 and 4.6 ratings, but this all seems very feasible.

One omission might be a possible Hurricane/Boss motor variant as has been rumored. But increasing focus on emissions and economy might be working against this "big-block" truck motor option. It would make a great Mach I motor, a latter-day 428CJ - a big, brutish torque-monster of a motor perfect for a stop-light and drag strip racer.

A possible swap out would be the TT3.5 for the 5.0 for a Boss 302'ish type model. While the 5.0 would likely be pretty awesome, there might also be some overlap between the TT3.5, which will be used elsewhere, and the 5.0 in terms of power. Also, the TT3.5 would likely be more fuel efficient and then there's also the cost and effort of developing what might be a Mustang specific motor. Either one would make an excellent motor for a road-racer oriented Boss Mustang.

A TT5.0 would be the one thing that might tip the aforementioned discussion in favor of a 5.0 rather than TT3.5. The current SC 5.4 is obviously very powerful, but also very heavy not to mention thirsty. A TT5.0 could easily develop the same power but with a lot less weight, better efficiency and probably more cleanly. That first consideration could significantly improve the GT500's handling and perhaps it and a Boss Mustang might finally convince Ford to add a 21st century IRS alongside the 19th (9th?) century live axle for fully contemporary levels of handling AND ride (rather than either/or).
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Iam glad see the 5.0 V8 coming back in GT or LX 5.0!
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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This is what I am hoping for:

Mustang ---3.5L D35 V6 275hp 5sp Manual/5 sp Auto


Mustang GT--- 4.6L 3v V8 325hp 5 sp Manual/5sp Auto


Mustang Twin Force—3.5L D35 V6 TT-350hp 6 sp. Manual or 6 sp Manumatic All aluminum IRS/Brembo 4 Piston brakes/Recaro's/(3400#)

Mustang Boss 5.0L Boss V8-375hp 6 sp. Manual/6 sp. Manumatic

SVT Shelby GT 500 Mustang-- 5.0L Shelby TwinForceV8-500hp+ 6 sp Manual or 6 sp Manumatic HD IRS/Recaro's/Brembo's/HUD/Ultralight 18"wheels.
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 12:57 AM
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I don't see a place for both the TwinForce and the Boss in that last lineup. One or the other, but not both. I would like to see the Boss at about 400hp with the 5.0 or the 3.5TT. Either would be good in it's own way. That way there is more of a spread between models.

275HP 3.5
325HP GT 4.6
400HP Boss 5.0N/A or 3.5TT
500+HP GT500 5.0TT
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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I dont think many people would like a V6 boss. i dont care how many turbos it has, a V8 always has been and always will be cooler. But i wouldnt mind a V6 boss its just that it would have to be done perfect, because without that V8 rumble, how are you going to scare the ricers away?
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
Regardless ... V-6(s) SUUUUUUUUUUCK ~ !!!

Engines: (send the V-6 where it belongs)

3.9 T-bird DOHC V-8 in place of the V-6 (Pony pkg.)

4.6 3-V/4-V (base engine for GT)

5.0 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options for BOSS, MACH I, and any other SE)

5.4 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options)

Turbos ... NOOOOOOOOO ... SC(s) ... YESSSS !!!

GET SHELBY OUTTA DA PICTURE ~ !!!
thats not biased at all is it? what about the little daddies girls that all buy mustangs? they deff dont need a V8
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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I am holding out for a BOSS myself. I always wanted one now it just might be in the cards. The pages in my payment book on my 05 are disappearing steadily and should be gone about that time too!
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Black331
CAFE doesn't increase until 2020, another 12 years, it has nothing to do with the 2010 Mustang.
It will change starting in 2012 and then ratchet up (4%?) yearly to 35 mpg BY 2020. With limited R&D funds, the Big 3 have put on hold for further examination and revision, most of their old product development plans.

So while the 2010 should be written in stone by this time, don't be surprised with last minute engine changes just for the "green" PR .
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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That's right. People keep hoping that Ford will have something to answer to the Challenger and Camaro when they already have! It's called the Shelby GT500 and comes with an ample powered 500hp engine. Realize too that a 400hp N/A mill in a lightened and balanced Mustang will easily dominate whatever is out there in its own class (Challenger, Camaro and even the GT500). Take the Roush S/C mustang that pumps out approx. 400hp and does circles around the GT500. More power is not the only answer. A balanced car is.
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Black331
CAFE doesn't increase until 2020, another 12 years, it has nothing to do with the 2010 Mustang.

Fine too, less demand equals better deals forthe rest of us that want a 400 horse GT.

I doubt there will be 4 engines too, maybe for an SE. In 2003 we had the V6, the 2V 4.6, the 4V Mach 1, and the Terminator.
As already pointed out CAFE starts ramping up a lot sooner than 2020.

And just as important today and in 2010, the Mustang is a drag on Ford's CAFE #s today. Ford has had to do a LOT of work to keep today's Mustang GT from hitting the gas guzzer tax and to reduce the GT's negative impact on Ford's overall CAFE #s.

I would not be surprised to see the D35 TT end up as the GT's engine as it will significantly out perform today's 4.6 3V with better MPG. If there is a 400 HP 5.0, it may only be in a SE model in between the GT & GT-500.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
As already pointed out CAFE starts ramping up a lot sooner than 2020.

And just as important today and in 2010, the Mustang is a drag on Ford's CAFE #s today. Ford has had to do a LOT of work to keep today's Mustang GT from hitting the gas guzzer tax and to reduce the GT's negative impact on Ford's overall CAFE #s.

I would not be surprised to see the D35 TT end up as the GT's engine as it will significantly out perform today's 4.6 3V with better MPG. If there is a 400 HP 5.0, it may only be in a SE model in between the GT & GT-500.
Agreed, as much as we all love a V8 GT, the reality could be that the V8 becomes the sole property of limited edition Mustangs like the Boss, Mach I or GT500.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfsburg
I hear ya. People can talk about turbos and forced induction until the cows come home, but as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing like a naturally aspirated V-8...

...and no, I'm not an old-timer.
Amen.
Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
I agree the D35 will be the base engine and the GT will not come standard with a 400 hp engine of any displacement. Here's my guess on the topic

- Base: 3.5L V6, 265 hp
- GT: 4.6L V8, 315 hp
- Boss: 5.0L, 400 hp
- GT500 replacement: 5.0L TT, 500 hp
If there's a Stang with a 400 hp V8, I'll stop modding my current one, and start saving for the next one!
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 08:45 PM
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I've said it before.....I like the idea of a TT V8 Mustang, whatever name it has, but I just don't see a TT V6 happening. The only way I could see that is if it was done in a Mercury or Lincoln coupe with more features on it than a mustang. Maybe IRS, a softer suspension....more of a luxury man's sports car (Cougar perhaps?) I dont know it just doesnt make sense to me if they did it for a mustang.....it would just steal aways sales from the GT's or SE that is out. Just my opinion. I will always own a mustang.....but if Lincoln or Merc had a TT V6 coupe, i'd prob own that too, and enjoy both as different cars.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
Agreed, as much as we all love a V8 GT, the reality could be that the V8 becomes the sole property of limited edition Mustangs like the Boss, Mach I or GT500.
As much as most people here pine for V8s and big displacement NA V8s, Ford needs to reduce the # of V8s it sells to help its CAFE.

Yes I am on the V8 side too, but a Mustang model that has ALL the GT features (styling, suspension, tires, wheels, etc, etc) but has a 350 HP 3.5L TT would be a very attractive model, especially to people who aren't Mustang fanatics.

To me having both a 350 HP turbo V6 and a 350+ HP NA V8 would increase total Mustang sales and have a positive impact on the CAFE #.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
As much as most people here pine for V8s and big displacement NA V8s, Ford needs to reduce the # of V8s it sells to help its CAFE.

Yes I am on the V8 side too, but a Mustang model that has ALL the GT features (styling, suspension, tires, wheels, etc, etc) but has a 350 HP 3.5L TT would be a very attractive model, especially to people who aren't Mustang fanatics.

To me having both a 350 HP turbo V6 and a 350+ HP NA V8 would increase total Mustang sales and have a positive impact on the CAFE #.
+1...I'll always opt for the V8 but given that gasoline prices are only going up, having a more fuel efficient forced induction V6 will increase overall Mustang sales by converting those "on the fringe" who stay away from the GT now because of fuel mileage constraints.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
thats not biased at all is it? what about the little daddies girls that all buy mustangs? they deff dont need a V8
My 3 girls will not own a Mustang without a V8!!
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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I love a good V8. But if Ford offers a 3.5L TT V6 in the Mustang that makes 340+hp and 340+lb ft of torque from 2000-4500rpm in a package which manages a few mpg better than the existing Mustang GT I'm not going to say no unless the V8 is substantially better than the current model. That said the upcoming DOHC 5.0L V8 is supposedly good for 400hp and 380 or so lb-ft of torque according ot the better known insiders. Give me that V8 and a six speed manual and the 3.5L doesn't stands a chance even if I do lose a few mpg in the process. But it would take something like that to keep me from switching so I'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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Cough 360-ish ftlbs...cough...
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