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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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The GT500 should be competing with the Challenger and Camaro, not the Vette or Viper. The only reason people do is there was no direct camparison car, and that it has a large ammount of horsepower.
People buying performance cars compare performance and price. The GT500 and C6 is a valid comparision.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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Sure about as valid as comparing that a vette with an SVT Lightning
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Sure about as valid as comparing that a vette with an SVT Lightning
Yea, because they offer the similar performance

The people that say they aren't competitive vehicles are doing so because the Vette kicks the GT500's butt in every performance category. It reminds me of a little kid making excuses.

Ford should take some notes from GM in building a performance car.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
Yea, because they offer the similar performance

The people that say they aren't competitive vehicles are doing so because the Vette kicks the GT500's butt in every performance category. It reminds me of a little kid making excuses.

Ford should take some notes from GM in building a performance car.
I hope they don't get hold of the notes GM had for the Camaro . . . . prior to its resurrection or the recent GTO. And that Ford GT sucked a**, and the 2003-2004 Cobras were performance jokes. . . .

(And I think its perfectly fine to compare a GT500 to a C6. Nothing wrong with that comparison at all.)
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri
I hope they don't get hold of the notes GM had for the Camaro . . . . prior to its resurrection or the recent GTO. And that Ford GT sucked a**, and the 2003-2004 Cobras were performance jokes. . . .

(And I think its perfectly fine to compare a GT500 to a C6. Nothing wrong with that comparison at all.)
I'd say that the C6 Z06 compares well to the Ford GT....at nearly half the cost. I love the Ford GT, but it cost to much IMO.

The C5 and 03-04 Cobra were dead even in acceleration, but that's about it. When there was a turn, bye bye Cobra.

Ford just needs a engine that can match the LS series.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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I just read the 08 Challenger w/a 6.1 v8 will weigh in at 4140 lbs. It's almost the same weight as the Charger SRT8 which weighs 4160 lbs. Weight distribution is a nearly identical @ 55.6/44.4.

I'm guessing the upcoming camaro will also be heavy. I've seen it at previous autoshows and it does look pretty big. Nice, but big......
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by max2000jp
Yea, because they offer the similar performance

The people that say they aren't competitive vehicles are doing so because the Vette kicks the GT500's butt in every performance category. It reminds me of a little kid making excuses.

Ford should take some notes from GM in building a performance car.
They are all built for different purposes regardless of how much power or performance they have.


I just read the 08 Challenger w/a 6.1 v8 will weigh in at 4140 lbs. It's almost the same weight as the Charger SRT8 which weighs 4160 lbs. Weight distribution is a nearly identical @ 55.6/44.4.

I'm guessing the upcoming camaro will also be heavy. I've seen it at previous autoshows and it does look pretty big. Nice, but big......
Wow the 010 (if it doesn't gain weight) is going to have a leg up on.
(And I also mean the GT500 if it does indeed come with a F/I 5.0)
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Ok now I'm getting scared.... I'm not only liking the exterior design cues but now the mere thought of a 350 hp 5.0L stang is killing me.... if this gen really does beat out the previous I am actually going to be majorly upset! My bank account is going to hate me
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Well if the Mustang GT has a 400hp 5.0L
either the 3.5 is standard and the EcoBoost 3.5 is a base, option or SE

I doubt it would be the base. It's probably not a cheap engine, your right.
Option... I could see that. However... being that it WILL a LOT more cars than just the mustang, they could spread the cost across more vehicles.

250HP 3.5 base with 315hp EcoBoost option
400hp GT
550HP GT500

Don't know it could play out a bunch of ways.
I say the D35 will be the base engine @ 265 HP. Given the sagging US dollar, it's probably cheaper (in US dollars) than the German made 4.0. The 4.0 has horrible HP compared to the competition, plus Ford needs any MPG gains it can find.

I hate to be the pessimist, but I don't think it's a given that the GT will get a 400 HP NA 5.0. I just don't see a high volume model getting 400HP in light of increasing MPG requirements and the growing anti-car setiment that is now targeting high HP vehicles.

There is too much overlap between the D35 TT and the new 5.0 as the D35T will have more than 315 HP and a better torque curve than the 5.0. And given the Mustang's sales volume, the bean counters may not go for 4 engines.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
I say the D35 will be the base engine @ 265 HP. Given the sagging US dollar, it's probably cheaper (in US dollars) than the German made 4.0. The 4.0 has horrible HP compared to the competition, plus Ford needs any MPG gains it can find.

I hate to be the pessimist, but I don't think it's a given that the GT will get a 400 HP NA 5.0. I just don't see a high volume model getting 400HP in light of increasing MPG requirements and the growing anti-car setiment that is now targeting high HP vehicles.
CAFE doesn't increase until 2020, another 12 years, it has nothing to do with the 2010 Mustang.

Fine too, less demand equals better deals forthe rest of us that want a 400 horse GT.


There is too much overlap between the D35 TT and the new 5.0 as the D35T will have more than 315 HP and a better torque curve than the 5.0. And given the Mustang's sales volume, the bean counters may not go for 4 engines.
I doubt there will be 4 engines too, maybe for an SE. In 2003 we had the V6, the 2V 4.6, the 4V Mach 1, and the Terminator.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Wow the 010 (if it doesn't gain weight) is going to have a leg up on. (And I also mean the GT500 if it does indeed come with a F/I 5.0)
I also read that GM is thinking of offering the Camaro as a hybrid.

Here's the link to the Hybrid Camaro article: http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrole...id-camaro.html
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
... Cars with a lot of power tend to burn a lot more gas no matter how big the engine.
Add the weight to the equation. I would think there would be an improvement on the MPG but not substancial.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
Yes I realize the 4.6 is gone, the question I'm raising is will it be replaced by the 3.5TT or a 5.0 NA or both?

Given the Mustang's sagging sales, Ford will have a VERY hard time justifying 4 different engines in the next gen Mustang.
Regardless ... V-6(s) SUUUUUUUUUUCK ~ !!!

Engines: (send the V-6 where it belongs)

3.9 T-bird DOHC V-8 in place of the V-6 (Pony pkg.)

4.6 3-V/4-V (base engine for GT)

5.0 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options for BOSS, MACH I, and any other SE)

5.4 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options)

Turbos ... NOOOOOOOOO ... SC(s) ... YESSSS !!!

GET SHELBY OUTTA DA PICTURE ~ !!!
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Tell us how you really feel G.R....
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
Regardless ... V-6(s) SUUUUUUUUUUCK ~ !!!

Engines: (send the V-6 where it belongs)

3.9 T-bird DOHC V-8 in place of the V-6 (Pony pkg.)

4.6 3-V/4-V (base engine for GT)

5.0 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options for BOSS, MACH I, and any other SE)

5.4 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options)

Turbos ... NOOOOOOOOO ... SC(s) ... YESSSS !!!

GET SHELBY OUTTA DA PICTURE ~ !!!
Misplace your meds?
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
I say the D35 will be the base engine @ 265 HP. Given the sagging US dollar, it's probably cheaper (in US dollars) than the German made 4.0. The 4.0 has horrible HP compared to the competition, plus Ford needs any MPG gains it can find.

I hate to be the pessimist, but I don't think it's a given that the GT will get a 400 HP NA 5.0. I just don't see a high volume model getting 400HP in light of increasing MPG requirements and the growing anti-car setiment that is now targeting high HP vehicles.

There is too much overlap between the D35 TT and the new 5.0 as the D35T will have more than 315 HP and a better torque curve than the 5.0. And given the Mustang's sales volume, the bean counters may not go for 4 engines.
I agree the D35 will be the base engine and the GT will not come standard with a 400 hp engine of any displacement. Here's my guess on the topic

- Base: 3.5L V6, 265 hp
- GT: 4.6L V8, 315 hp
- Boss: 5.0L, 400 hp
- GT500 replacement: 5.0L TT, 500 hp
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TXBLUOVAL
Regardless ... V-6(s) SUUUUUUUUUUCK ~ !!!

Engines: (send the V-6 where it belongs)

3.9 T-bird DOHC V-8 in place of the V-6 (Pony pkg.)

4.6 3-V/4-V (base engine for GT)

5.0 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options for BOSS, MACH I, and any other SE)

5.4 3-V/4-V (pencil-in options)

Turbos ... NOOOOOOOOO ... SC(s) ... YESSSS !!!

GET SHELBY OUTTA DA PICTURE ~ !!!
excellent
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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I guess we'll all have to wait and see won't we??
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:21 AM
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I guess we'll all have to wait and see won't we??
Some people can't take hints can they??
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 06:06 AM
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I have to see it first to believe it. Remember, this is ultra conservative Ford Mo. Co.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if these new engines were delayed to 2012MY.

I think Ford will place the 315h.p. 4.6L Bullitt engine in the 2010MY Mustang GT.
If we are lucky, Ford will bring out a Mach1 with a 350-400h.p. 4.6L or 5.4L.

Those are my pessimistic 2010MY thoughts anyway.

I don't think Ford is that worried about the performance of the Camaro & Challenger. I think Ford is more worried about cosmetics at this point, to keep the Stang looking "fresh".

I beleive Ford's mindset is: We have a 315h.p. Bullitt. We have a 500h.p. Shelby GT500. Then there is the 319h.p. Shelby GT.
540h.p. GT500KR and 600h.p.+ Super Snake.

Then you have Saleen, Rouch etc.
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