Can this be? I hope not
6/2/10, 07:32 AM
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That's the funny thing about the Internet. Sometimes we infer from text what we want to infer even if it's not really there. I went back and re-read his post and what I got from it was, "This sucks for anyone getting a 2011... and I'm bummed for all of you." That doesn't at all appear to be sour grapes or ***** envy.
Silverbull is a car guy and a Ford guy... just not seeing where he'd just come off as bashing 2011 owners for the he// of it.
Silverbull is a car guy and a Ford guy... just not seeing where he'd just come off as bashing 2011 owners for the he// of it.
Again----
Many gratitudes
6/2/10, 07:36 AM
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I've got an 11 GT with auto trans and no issues. Not that I was expecting any, but the car has been more than I could ever hope for after having for 4 days. Put a few hundred miles on it this weekend, and it ran like it should, a brand new car with over 400hp.
I'm sure there are going to be issues with the new powertrains, but that's to be expected. Hell, my car sat on the lot for six weeks after it was built. I have no idea why, but it did. Hopefully it wasn't an engine/tranny issue, but if it was, it was definitely fixed.
I'm sure there are going to be issues with the new powertrains, but that's to be expected. Hell, my car sat on the lot for six weeks after it was built. I have no idea why, but it did. Hopefully it wasn't an engine/tranny issue, but if it was, it was definitely fixed.
6/2/10, 07:36 AM
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6/2/10, 07:53 AM
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6/2/10, 09:10 AM
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OMG a new car has ISSUES?!?!?
Yes..the 05 had issues... even the 06, 07, 08, 09...
Oh and 2010...and guess what..2011...and probably 2012 and 2013.. and I'll guess probably 14 and 15... maybe 16...
You get the point.
If there is any issues with any cars, Ford is fixing them before they get them to you.
This has happened in the past, and will happen now, and into the future. This is nothing new.
The only thing that IS new is that they are getting fixed quicker/faster and getting to you with the possibility of less issues. Ford has been really ontop of any minor to major issues with their vehicles lately. And this is a good thing.
(these could be ANYTHING from small to large, and to do with any type of manufacturing from supplier right through to how it was put together)
Would you rather get your car and have to sit with it in in the shop or have an issue that could quite possibly be life threatening? (this is not the case, I'm just making a point)
This sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.
Just remember your car had issues too, and all TSBs were performed before you picked it up....
Notice 2 things here... TSBs have gone down, which is great. But also notice that the 2009 Mustang which is 5 years into its product cycle still had 29 TSBs on it.
Now look at how many the 2010 had... and how many parts were carryover and how many were new?
Just sayin... opinion vs fact.
Now back to finance rates...
Yes..the 05 had issues... even the 06, 07, 08, 09...
Oh and 2010...and guess what..2011...and probably 2012 and 2013.. and I'll guess probably 14 and 15... maybe 16...
You get the point.
If there is any issues with any cars, Ford is fixing them before they get them to you.
This has happened in the past, and will happen now, and into the future. This is nothing new.
The only thing that IS new is that they are getting fixed quicker/faster and getting to you with the possibility of less issues. Ford has been really ontop of any minor to major issues with their vehicles lately. And this is a good thing.
(these could be ANYTHING from small to large, and to do with any type of manufacturing from supplier right through to how it was put together)
Would you rather get your car and have to sit with it in in the shop or have an issue that could quite possibly be life threatening? (this is not the case, I'm just making a point)
Wait till this car IS finally released in a massive way....there is going to be more 5.0's in the shop then on the road-----
Just remember your car had issues too, and all TSBs were performed before you picked it up....
2005 Mustang 120 TSBs
2006 Mustang 99 TSBs
2007 Mustang 76 TSBs
2008 Mustang 47 TSBs
2009 Mustang 29 TSBs
2010 Mustang 11 TSBs most of which were published Aug-Oct 2009
2006 Mustang 99 TSBs
2007 Mustang 76 TSBs
2008 Mustang 47 TSBs
2009 Mustang 29 TSBs
2010 Mustang 11 TSBs most of which were published Aug-Oct 2009
Now look at how many the 2010 had... and how many parts were carryover and how many were new?
Just sayin... opinion vs fact.
Now back to finance rates...
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6/2/10, 09:20 AM
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Maybe I missed it. . . what's the point? 
Ford can't build and ship cars that are relatively problem free????
Again, 2 days to build and 30, 60, or even longer to "fix" said issues? That's just a manufacturing disaster. It implies that quality was NOT part of the design process. Rather, quality was "added" after the production process was complete. Not bad, but REALLY expensive at that point.
Ford can't build and ship cars that are relatively problem free???? Again, 2 days to build and 30, 60, or even longer to "fix" said issues? That's just a manufacturing disaster. It implies that quality was NOT part of the design process. Rather, quality was "added" after the production process was complete. Not bad, but REALLY expensive at that point.
OMG a new car has ISSUES?!?!?
Yes..the 05 had issues... even the 06, 07, 08, 09...
Oh and 2010...and guess what..2011...and probably 2012 and 2013.. and I'll guess probably 14 and 15... maybe 16...
You get the point.
If there is any issues with any cars, Ford is fixing them before they get them to you.
This has happened in the past, and will happen now, and into the future. This is nothing new.
The only thing that IS new is that they are getting fixed quicker/faster and getting to you with the possibility of less issues. Ford has been really ontop of any minor to major issues with their vehicles lately. And this is a good thing.
(these could be ANYTHING from small to large, and to do with any type of manufacturing from supplier right through to how it was put together)
Would you rather get your car and have to sit with it in in the shop or have an issue that could quite possibly be life threatening? (this is not the case, I'm just making a point)
This sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.
Just remember your car had issues too, and all TSBs were performed before you picked it up....
Yes..the 05 had issues... even the 06, 07, 08, 09...
Oh and 2010...and guess what..2011...and probably 2012 and 2013.. and I'll guess probably 14 and 15... maybe 16...
You get the point.
If there is any issues with any cars, Ford is fixing them before they get them to you.
This has happened in the past, and will happen now, and into the future. This is nothing new.
The only thing that IS new is that they are getting fixed quicker/faster and getting to you with the possibility of less issues. Ford has been really ontop of any minor to major issues with their vehicles lately. And this is a good thing.
(these could be ANYTHING from small to large, and to do with any type of manufacturing from supplier right through to how it was put together)
Would you rather get your car and have to sit with it in in the shop or have an issue that could quite possibly be life threatening? (this is not the case, I'm just making a point)
This sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.
Just remember your car had issues too, and all TSBs were performed before you picked it up....
6/2/10, 09:35 AM
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Now on the dragstrip.....a whole nuther story.
corvettedreamin....I'm sure you're a bit upset about your current situation. Sorry to hear it, but unless you have some inside knowledge of the current inner workings of Ford as it relates to the 2011 Mustang, I would suggest that your conclusions are based primarily on assumptions and are exacerbated by emotion.
****....psuedo-PC Bob just came back....
6/2/10, 09:40 AM
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nothing new here. every new car has issues. there will be those that are willing to buy them and risk finding out what those problems are in order to have the latest/baddest thing out there.
And there are those are willing to wait a year or two to find out the "biggie" issues and get a car hopefully less prone to problems yet have a car that has lost his "wow" factor somewhat.
Me personally? im the second type even though i have nothing agaist the first. both are needed.
And there are those are willing to wait a year or two to find out the "biggie" issues and get a car hopefully less prone to problems yet have a car that has lost his "wow" factor somewhat.
Me personally? im the second type even though i have nothing agaist the first. both are needed.
6/2/10, 09:44 AM
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Maybe I missed it. . . what's the point? Ford can't build and ship cars that are relatively problem free????
Again, 2 days to build and 30, 60, or even longer to "fix" said issues? That's just a manufacturing disaster. It implies that quality was NOT part of the design process. Rather, quality was "added" after the production process was complete. Not bad, but REALLY expensive at that point.
Ford can't build and ship cars that are relatively problem free???? Again, 2 days to build and 30, 60, or even longer to "fix" said issues? That's just a manufacturing disaster. It implies that quality was NOT part of the design process. Rather, quality was "added" after the production process was complete. Not bad, but REALLY expensive at that point.
Is it cheaper to shut down the factory to fix a small piece of plastic? than fix it after the fact before it ships? Quality holds are NOTHING new.
As for the comment about the manufacturing processes, have you ever put something together with thousands of parts from 100s of manufacturers in a process that has to be completed in the same manner over and over again the same way, with equipement that has to be right 100% of the time, or a person who puts it in the same way 100% of the time?
Machines aren't 100%...they can have issues.
Humans aren't 100%..they can have issues.
Parts aren't all created equal and there are WAY too many variables to get the car from birth to customers hands.
Quality IS their priority, because its getting fixed BEFORE you get it...even if you have to wait.
Parts are fixed or changed and the manufacturing process changes, and is evaluated. It's a fluid process.
You don't complain that a shirt in a store took 18 weeks to get from asia to the hanger in Walmart, because the completed product is right in front of you. But if you had to custom order it...lookout...
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6/2/10, 10:00 AM
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I don't have one on order, and I may or may not get one in the future. But if I do....and if I may be so bold...you'll be hard pressed to find a more....well....sane & safe driver on the street.
Now on the dragstrip.....a whole nuther story.
corvettedreamin....I'm sure you're a bit upset about your current situation. Sorry to hear it, but unless you have some inside knowledge of the current inner workings of Ford as it relates to the 2011 Mustang, I would suggest that your conclusions are based primarily on assumptions and are exacerbated by emotion.
****....psuedo-PC Bob just came back....
Now on the dragstrip.....a whole nuther story.
corvettedreamin....I'm sure you're a bit upset about your current situation. Sorry to hear it, but unless you have some inside knowledge of the current inner workings of Ford as it relates to the 2011 Mustang, I would suggest that your conclusions are based primarily on assumptions and are exacerbated by emotion.
****....psuedo-PC Bob just came back....
* Inference: A conclusion you come to in your mind based on something else that is true or you believe to be true
* Assumption: Part of your belief system. Something you don't question. Your mind takes for granted that your assumption is true
Does emotion play a role? Certainly. Does it change what is TRUE or believed to be true/plausible? Not so much.
Welcome back, PC-Bob!
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didn't Gene K say his car as a clutch issue? maybe that hold was to deal with the cars with manual transmissions. the only thing new that carries over across the line up is the transmission, right?
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You don't complain that a shirt in a store took 18 weeks to get from asia to the hanger in Walmart, because the completed product is right in front of you. But if you had to custom order it...lookout...
Plain and simple Ford has screwed the pooch on this.
The lack of information and then the incorrect information you get from Ford only compounds the problem.
Six plus weeks after a car is built is plenty of time to fix whatever issue or issues that a car may have.
And if it is that big of issue then maybe Ford should have done a little more testing and pushed the start of production for MY 2011 to a later date.
Most people would have been fine with pushing to start of production back instead of having a built car sitting in a parking lot for a number of weeks.
Today is week eight for me.
6/2/10, 11:39 AM
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I not paying 35k for a shirt.
Plain and simple Ford has screwed the pooch on this.
The lack of information and then the incorrect information you get from Ford only compounds the problem.
Six plus weeks after a car is built is plenty of time to fix whatever issue or issues that a car may have.
And if it is that big of issue then maybe Ford should have done a little more testing and pushed the start of production for MY 2011 to a later date.
Most people would have been fine with pushing to start of production back instead of having a built car sitting in a parking lot for a number of weeks.
Today is week eight for me.
Plain and simple Ford has screwed the pooch on this.
The lack of information and then the incorrect information you get from Ford only compounds the problem.
Six plus weeks after a car is built is plenty of time to fix whatever issue or issues that a car may have.
And if it is that big of issue then maybe Ford should have done a little more testing and pushed the start of production for MY 2011 to a later date.
Most people would have been fine with pushing to start of production back instead of having a built car sitting in a parking lot for a number of weeks.
Today is week eight for me.
6/2/10, 11:55 AM
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I not paying 35k for a shirt.
Plain and simple Ford has screwed the pooch on this.
The lack of information and then the incorrect information you get from Ford only compounds the problem.
Six plus weeks after a car is built is plenty of time to fix whatever issue or issues that a car may have.
And if it is that big of issue then maybe Ford should have done a little more testing and pushed the start of production for MY 2011 to a later date.
Most people would have been fine with pushing to start of production back instead of having a built car sitting in a parking lot for a number of weeks.
Today is week eight for me.
Plain and simple Ford has screwed the pooch on this.
The lack of information and then the incorrect information you get from Ford only compounds the problem.
Six plus weeks after a car is built is plenty of time to fix whatever issue or issues that a car may have.
And if it is that big of issue then maybe Ford should have done a little more testing and pushed the start of production for MY 2011 to a later date.
Most people would have been fine with pushing to start of production back instead of having a built car sitting in a parking lot for a number of weeks.
Today is week eight for me.
Most people just buy off the lot, and do not have to deal with that headache.
But this is just something that comes with the territory. Not everyone had to wait 8+ weeks - some people got their cars pretty fast. Your car must have had issues, and their car must have came out fine.
I don't think Ford should have pushed out their production date and made EVERYONE wait. It's possible your car could have STILL had issues even if they postponed the launch.. I think it's great Ford caught the issues before they delivered the car to you.