Buy a 2011 GT500 or wait for the 2012 Boss 302?
8/27/10, 03:16 PM
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Is there an engine option i missed !
8/27/10, 08:13 PM
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In my opinion, and if the Boss is going to be priced about where I think it will be (low '40's) the 2011 GT500 (with the SVO handling pkg) is likely the better vehicle and also the one that will likely have more value (some more, not a lot more) at the 2035 Barrett-Jackson auction. Anything bearing the Shelby name seems to outdo all others, except maybe Mr. Hemi.
That said, if the Boss is going to be priced in the mid-upper '30's (slim chance), that may change things a little.
That said, if the Boss is going to be priced in the mid-upper '30's (slim chance), that may change things a little.
8/28/10, 08:55 AM
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The auto business is built on selling "want". You WANT cars you can't afford and you settle for what you can. Your still a young guy and one day you may be in a position to afford those cars you want and you know what? You'll buy them. It wasn't till I was 50 that I was in a position to get what I wanted. When I was younger I didn't want a mini-van but it filled a need I had.
As for earlier GT500's.....unless you've spent quality time behind the wheel of one you really aren't in a position to judge the car. TIRES are the 1st step to getting good handling. The tires on earlier GT500's couldn't handle the power. All the reviews on the current GT and GT500 point to the rubber that's shoeing these horses and how much of a difference it makes.
If you got a ride in my GT500 you wouldn't be making the statements about the car that you're making. You'd be laughing like a kid at the ride you would be getting.
Do they handle like current model's? No, but that doesn't mean they handle poorly. You can read all the reviews you want or listen to "experts" opinions, but there is no substitute for experience.
As for earlier GT500's.....unless you've spent quality time behind the wheel of one you really aren't in a position to judge the car. TIRES are the 1st step to getting good handling. The tires on earlier GT500's couldn't handle the power. All the reviews on the current GT and GT500 point to the rubber that's shoeing these horses and how much of a difference it makes.
If you got a ride in my GT500 you wouldn't be making the statements about the car that you're making. You'd be laughing like a kid at the ride you would be getting.
Do they handle like current model's? No, but that doesn't mean they handle poorly. You can read all the reviews you want or listen to "experts" opinions, but there is no substitute for experience.
I will still say the decision between the two cars is going to come down to money plain and simple. It you have the money the GT500 is the better car. It will be worth more down the road as they will be rarer as well. I think the Boss 302 is a definate improvement on the GT, but it is still a notch below the 500. Assuming you are not buying the car to put in a garage for an investment, which the KR would then be the best car to buy. Most people will agree that Mustangs are cars that you mod the hell out of. Some will upgrade their exhaust, others the suspension, etc.
I don't know too many people that have a pre 2009 GT 500 that have not done a basic mod, at least something to deal with Wheel Hop. As the previous poster said the pre 2009 GT500 tires were terrible and the suspension was not ideal for track racing as it is too soft.
So in reality when you buy a car you are looking at the platform in which you can customize the car. Would you rather be building power on a 5.0 or a 5.4 liter engine? Which Body Style is better looking etc. Powerwise the GT500 has tremendous advantage. Simple Pulley swap to a 2.6 and you are close to 550 rwhp. Throw on a Griggs suspension and you solve the wheel hop and body roll problems. Swap out the K member for a tubular, and BMR "A" arms and you drop off close to 100lbs of weight. Widen the stock rims 1 inch and throw on some 315 Nitto's or Toyo Proxies TQ and you got a very fast track car.
There are very few cars that come stock from the factory that a great "Track" cars! Corvette Z06/ZR1, Dodge Viper ACR, and the Ford GT are the short list for American cars that are Track ready. Most of your Mustangs, Camero's and Challengers need a little bit of modding before they are track worthy. Simply put these pony cars are made for street use primarily.
8/28/10, 10:04 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Boss beats the 2011 GT500 around a track. The Shelby is a hammer, the Boss is a scalpel. Two totally different purposes.
Now, that said, wait until we see what flushes out in the next few months before you jump the gun on something...
Now, that said, wait until we see what flushes out in the next few months before you jump the gun on something...
8/28/10, 10:58 AM
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I'm thinking the same thing. The Z28 is suppose to be coming in 2012 and Ford is surely going to have something up their sleeve to beat it. I'm thinking the 2012 GT500 is going to really open some eyes.
8/29/10, 12:37 AM
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8/29/10, 02:21 PM
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well, if this was the main issue, the 5.0 will most likely make way more power than the 5.4 once the boost is cranked up. Yes you would need to reduce the compression in the 5.0 but you really need to swap the rods in the 5.4 if you want to make big power. Strap a blower on the 5.0 and make 550rwhp or basic mods on the 5.4 and make about the same. The 5.0 is a vastly superior design overall based on much improved heads and lighter weight.
Throw on a Griggs suspension and you solve the wheel hop and body roll problems. Swap out the K member for a tubular, and BMR "A" arms and you drop off close to 100lbs of weight. Widen the stock rims 1 inch and throw on some 315 Nitto's or Toyo Proxies TQ and you got a very fast track car.
You can add the Boss to this list now as well. The fact is that superchargers are great for making big power but on a road coarse where you will be running flat out lap after lap a naturally aspirated engine is superior. The fact that the Boss has the grand am engine that will rev to the moon and do it all day long is a huge plus that the GT500 will never have.
8/29/10, 02:23 PM
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agreed, I think that for posting up the fastest lap time the cars will probably be very close. The Boss should have a big advantage once the laps and heatsoak start to accumulate.
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