So ive been trying to decide which company to go to, to tune my car. i went to hpp racing and they told me it would be 399 for the tuner and then 525 for a custom tune which is lifetime. then if i needed the dyno it would be 135 an hour any other time i have it put back on.
with brenspeed they said with the mods on have on the car, there is no point in putting the car on the dyno and to just buy the sct tuner through them with the tunes on them, since they are about an hour away from me, they said they would even put it on my car if i wanted them too. so i would spend the 399 + tax with them. if i do anything else to the car as long as i purchase it through them they will send an email tune free of charge. they said it would be 500 dollars for the dyno calibration and you get charged that everytime, or thats what im getting from the conversation.

so if yall where to choose between the two which one would you go with and why?
the only mods i have so far are the k&n filter with intake tube and its using the original airbox and then i will be putting on the steeda axle backs with over axles pipes with the resonators deleted.

 

Breenspeed. Less cash for the same results. They have good tunes and have been doing it for a long time successfully. No offense to the other company I just never heard of them.

 

What he said ^^

 

Never heard of HPP racing.. As mentioned, I would go with Brenspeed as they've been in tuning industry for nearly 20 years and have an excellent track record to back it up..

 

Ok thanks everyone...yea I think I'm going to go with brenspeed!!

 

You have an essentially stock car. There are millions like it rolling around out there. If you were going to a blower setup I'd suggest walking away from an email tune but, not with your current mods. There just isn't enough in it to merit the additional expense.

That said, there are lots of great choices out there and if you buy hardware from them, the tunes are "lifetime" as well. VMP, AED. LUND, JPC, Steeda are all recognized and credible names.

Brenspeed sells canned tunes ONLY, which means no tweaking. If you need a little tweak, any of the others mentioned above will do that. Sometimes it happens.

 

See when I spoke to George from Brenspeed Monday to ask him more questions, he said that their tunes they send aren't canned. They are a custom tune, so idk if he is just staying that. Even on their website when you buy the tuner it says it's not a canned tune.

 

It's "custom" only in the context that you send them you list of mods and ECM code and they send you a tune for those things. That's not a custom tune. They also state straight-up on their website that you are buying a tune from them and not the ability to tweak it post-facto. That's a canned tune, by my judgment; even if it is a bit of a semantic argument. Nothing wrong with it and, in your case it'll likely be fine.

 

Ahhhh I get what your saying....well now I have some more thinking to do... lol thanks for the help!!!

 

Wherever you got your info regarding Brenspeed is full of B.S.. As every one of Brenspeed's e-mail calibrations are custom written by Brent himself..

Each tune is specifically written for your car's individual ECM along with your individual parameters, including air/fuel, spark and timing curves in addition to whatever mods you've upgraded..

And yes, Brenspeed will most definitely tweak and make any adjustments necessary to your calibration and will then send you a revised tune file via e-mail to upload into your programmer..

FYI ! Brenspeed has also been in the performance industry for nearly 20 years and were also one the very first Saleen authorized service centers along with JDM engineering and 281 motorsports in which each were considered as the top 3 custom tuners for Saleen..

As for the other tuners you mentioned, only one of them has been around longer than Brenspeed and that happens to be Steeda..


With that being said ! Perhaps you should take the time in doing your own research about a particular vendor/tuner rather than go by what somebody has either told you or may had read in some magazine in which 99% of the time is inaccurate to begin with anyhow..

 

http://www.brenspeed.com/3tunes-2011.html

Here it is right off the website. Yes, it's a "custom tune" if you extend that language to a tune written for the PCM cal and mods but, I call that a reach. In my view true custom tuning is what is referred to in the document above as "remote tuning". Specific tuning based upon the actual car's performance, measured on a dyno or by datalog. If tweaks are offered, they are based upon what, since no datalog option is available.

 

You have a good point here. This is very common in the auto industry. You take a stock 5.0 with the hundreds of tuning maps, tables and paramaters. You then devise your own signature parameter/map/table set for bolt on car. It's a "Canned" tune. But if you change one more of those parameters does that become a "Custom" tune? I'm with you in thinking not.

No disrespect to Brenspeed, they are indeed a very reputable company. And in my mind "Custom" tune means no other person has the same set of variables as the tune designed specifically for my car.

 

I'm fully aware of what's posted on the Brenspeed website.. And btw: Brenspeed's custom e-mail calibrations are measured and based from their custom dyno tunes in which you or anyone else can schedule an appointment to have your car custom dyno tuned by Brenspeed, if you choose to do so..

In addition, Brenspeed has also written thousands of custom e-mail tunes based off years of their in house R&D before they ever get released to the public..

Therefore it isn't really necessary to have a tune written based from a data log file anyhow and here's why.. All you need to do is take your car to a local speed/tuning shop and have them check your Brenspeed tune on their dyno for your air/fuel, spark and timing curves ect. If everything is spot on ? you're good to go, otherwise you contact Brenspeed and inform them that your air/fuel or other parameters may happen to be off and they'll make the necessary adjustments to correct it and then send you a revised tuning file via e-mail to upload into your SCT or Diablosport programmer..

The difference between a canned tune over a custom e-mail tune is a preloaded programmer such as a Diablosport or SCT has multiple calibration tuning files that don't require a vehicle's specific PCM code that can be used for multiple vehicles.. Where as a custom e-mail tune is written specifically just for your car's individual PCM that does require your PCM calibration code..


And just for the record, I've been a Brenspeed customer for quite awhile and if you've noticed my signature, I run their custom e-mail supercharged tune on my Saleen VI blower in which btw: I did have checked by a local tuner who confirmed that all my parameters were spot on and said word for word that if I were to get my car custom dyno tuned, the best he could do is get maybe 5-10 more HP than what I have with the Brenspeed tune and in his opinion felt that I'd be wasting my money on getting a custom dyno tune and therefore recommended for my particular application to just stick with the Brenspeed tune as he said it's a very safe and reliable tune..


At any rate, I haven't had any reason to doubt that, as I've been running the same calibration tune for nearly 2 years and haven't ran across any issues as of yet !

 

alright everyone, i may just wait then....at this point im lost in what i should do and dont want yall to argue over this lol

 

If you still have any doubt, contact Brenspeed and find out for yourself, as they'll answer all of your questions truthfully without all the marketing hype B.S you end up getting from some of those unknown tuners that promise huge HP gains but are unsafe and unreliable for your car..

 

Yea I've spoken to george already at the Texas location. He said they are custom to my car and it's not necessary for the dyno tune bc I don't have that many mods on my car

 

George is just one of the Brenspeed techs who will take the time in answering your questions in a straight forward and upfront manner who won't try to push you into purchasing parts that you really don't need for your car just in order to make a sale... He's very knowledgeable and will steer you in the right direction

 

Yea I do get that from him. Thanks for all your info and help!! Much appreciated

 

Like I said in the beginning, Brenspeed will be totally fine for this application.

I just don't like the way the terms used in the industry talk something up into something it really isn't. Unless feedback is being sought through datalogging or running on a dyno, no tune is "custom" to the actual engine. It's a best-guess, based upon lots of experience and probably within 1-2% of what's possible in an application like this but still, not custom to the exact requirements of the engine itself. That's my view and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

To reiterate though, any email tune will likely be just fine for this application. I have one myself and even an email nitrous tune as well, which has worked out fine thus far. OP has a decision to make but, it's likely if any of the big players are chosen, it'll be great.

 

Whether it's a Brenspeed, Steeda, VMP, Lund or whomever tuning vendor you choose from, all custom e-mail calibrations are pretty much the same..

So we can all debate this topic until hell freezes over.. However as I previously mentioned, it's always in your best interest to have your e-mail tunes checked on a dyno to make certain your air/fuel along with the spark and timing curves are accurate and safe..

Although Brenspeed clearly states on their website they do not offer remote tuning via datalogging.. They will make any necessary adjustments if the air/fuel or any other parameters such as the spark and timing curves are not safe.. Therefore as far as I'm concerned, whenever any type of corrections/adjustments are made.. IMO this is considered as a form of remote tuning ..

At any rate, the main purpose of the OP's thread is to determine whether to choose Brenspeed or HPP Racing for their particular tuning needs.. Being that I'm not familiar with HPP, I recommend Brenspeed..