2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}
View Poll Results: Black Plastic, Mutton chops and all?
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Black Plastic, Mutton chops and all....

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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkCandy08GT
I can see people saying they can live with it but 8 Love it! What is there to love about chunks of black plastic?
For the record, I'm not one of those eight! Go figure.

Ford only pays me so much.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by V8Mike
They look horrible and not aerodynamic at all. To me it looks like they would catch the air and cause drag.
thats the whole point of a splitter to cause drag in the form of downforce to counter lift.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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Downforce and drag are not the same thing. Race teams spend millions of dollars and thousands of wind tunnel hours trying to increase downforce while decreasing drag.

You are correct, however, that poor/hasty downforce improvement efforts often INCREASE drag as a result...
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Zoomie
Downforce and drag are not the same thing. Race teams spend millions of dollars and thousands of wind tunnel hours trying to increase downforce while decreasing drag.

You are correct, however, that poor/hasty downforce improvement efforts often INCREASE drag as a result...
I wasn't saying they are the same thing. But the function of a splitter or rear wing on a race car is by creating downforce by drag.

What they do in wind tunnels is reducing parasitic drag and decrease high wind presure areas.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight
I wasn't saying they are the same thing. But the function of a splitter or rear wing on a race car is by creating downforce by drag.

What they do in wind tunnels is reducing parasitic drag and decrease high wind presure areas.
Cool. Wasn't clear to me in your original post. Could have just been me, though...
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 12:06 PM
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Godspeed01
Tampa I see where you are coming from on an added aerodynamics, but they could have made it flow with the rockers, and rear fascia. It looks all chunky and slapped on, like a ricer would do with landscaping supplies for his "custom" air dam. I don't mind it being black, I don't mind it being a lot... I DO mind it not flowing, and looking like a chunked up mess. I'm sure aftermarket will come through, but that is by far Ford's #1 drop the ball move on the car.
The front on the V6 flows much better into the wheel arches and does not have the horrible looking mutton chops. It would sure be nice if you could just order a GT with the V6 front end IMHO.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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too bad there wasn't an LX type like the foxes had...
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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+2 on a V6 front end for a GT - MUCH cleaner looking (though not aerodynamically so). How about someone making it body color? It might improve the look - or it might not.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Autotooner
too bad there wasn't an LX type like the foxes had...
You mean like the Mustang LX 4-cylinder models... LOL!

All the old Fox Mustang LX 5.0 was a GT 5.0 without all the tacky add-on aero cladding, plus you could get it with the two-door notchback and base Mustang interior. The advantage of this was lower cost into a V8 model powered Mustang.

There is really no point in having any sort of LX model as a future model. Since the 1994 Mustangs, it was not necessary to have such trim level designations as all Mustangs without a suffix after the name simply were V6's and all Mustang GT's were V8's. There was however the one year of the GTS which was a spoilerless GT with the base V6 interior.

With the current models if there was an "LX" what would it downgrade to? You can get the same base model level interiors in both the V6 and GT with the same seats except for MUSTANG vs PONY cloth graphics. Externally, you could delete a spoiler which is already a delete option on GT's. There is also not enough cost differentiation between GT and V6 front and rear fascias to really save enough money. There may be a very slight savings on fog lamp deletes but it certainly is not going to make a enough difference considering all that is good about a GT adds about $5000 over a V6 model. What you are mostly paying for on a GT is the V8 engine and all the suspension and drivetrain upgrades that make it perform better than a V6.

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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hi5.0
+2 on a V6 front end for a GT - MUCH cleaner looking (though not aerodynamically so). How about someone making it body color? It might improve the look - or it might not.
Well I'm sure a popular modification will be to bolt the V6 fascia on the GT... At least that can be remedied... There is not much we will be able to do with the ugly rear end....
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by watchdevil
Well I'm sure a popular modification will be to bolt the V6 fascia on the GT... At least that can be remedied... There is not much we will be able to do with the ugly rear end....
Yeah, I can see it now, people like me that want a GT with the V6 front end, will be looking for V6 owners that want to look like a GT to trade front ends with

Hopefully it will be an easy bolt on replacement, and maybe even the wiring for the GT fogs will plug into the fogs for the V6 Pony package, or maybe the aftermarket will make a grill that fits the GT fogs into the V6 grill? Heck, that is a lot of work just to make the exterior likeable IMHO, and then you still have to have the aftermarket address the diaper on the rear. Maybe it will just be easier to buy a Camaro instead, then I won't have to mess with anything on the exterior, and it will already be more powerful.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkCandy08GT
I can see people saying they can live with it but 8 Love it! What is there to love about chunks of black plastic?
I voted love it. I owned an '05 and am buying an '10, so I appreciate and like both models. To me the '10 looks a lot more aggressive than the '05. After looking at them side-by-side, the '05 just looks bland in comparison. I'm getting Kona Blue so the black plastic doesn't look out of place. The more I look at the car, the more I love it.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TTS197
They don't bother me one bit and they look functional sorta like splitters.
they are functional, which is why I appreciate them
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 03:33 AM
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some ideas

-there going after import market (crossing fingers for giant wing option)
-mustang sales are hugh in memphis?
-yet unknown snow plow option
-make ugly as possible...kill sales...get 8 billion freebie

how long before next design?
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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Black plastic trim= cheap and ugly.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by holderca1
I voted love it. I owned an '05 and am buying an '10, so I appreciate and like both models. To me the '10 looks a lot more aggressive than the '05. After looking at them side-by-side, the '05 just looks bland in comparison. I'm getting Kona Blue so the black plastic doesn't look out of place. The more I look at the car, the more I love it.

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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Not that anyone wants to hear it, but I'll throw my 2 cents in here. The more I look at the GT nose I'm still not able to tell whether I like it or not. From some angles, I really don't like it. Others, it's not so bad. To me one of the worst angles is the front 3/4 view, that's when the undercut of the nose really is apparent and for some reason, to me, it makes the front look much shorter than it should. It becomes even more distracting with those splitter/mutton chop/fins mostly because of the little vertical "partitions" attached to each end of them. Although I know they were trying to elongate the grile opening by painting the uprights on either side of the grille black, I wish there was some way to make that an option. (I know, it's not done for cost and complexity reasons).

And I don't really mind the taillights, what I'd *love* to see in the aftermarket (Hey aftermarket folks, pay attention!! LOL) is a kit that would allow you to cover the backup lights with body color panels and re-locate the backup lights to lower in the bumper or perhaps even inside the license plate pocket on either side of the license plate. My biggest beef with the rear end is not the black plastic, but the perceived increase in height, partially due to the shortening of the ledge on top of the rear bumper. The 05-09 cars have an actual "bumper" that juts out, where the '10 just has a continuous slope from the spoiler down to the tailpipes. I'm guessing this was done to visually shorten the car, and while that worked, it sort of makes the rear of the Mustang look like the new Corvettes, kind of a chopped off, door-stop look. With some minor tweaking from the aftermarket or maybe even Ford themselves it could look much better.

The car looks pretty good, but I think there is potential there for the car to look much better. Quite a bit of potential in fact. I can't really say I don't like it - but I sure don't love it yet either. Now the V6 is a different story. I'm all over that one...I absolutely love the way it looks, especially as a vert. Still has the same issue with the rear bumper, if the aftermarket helps address that then I could see myself purchasing one. And just for the record I do like the interior. :-)

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