Another #8
7/22/11, 09:18 AM
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if my number 8 blows id probably go this route lol
http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6...wer/index.html
500 hp N/A Crate 363 small block
Might be a better alternative for the OP (not red candy)
http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6...wer/index.html
500 hp N/A Crate 363 small block
Might be a better alternative for the OP (not red candy)
7/22/11, 09:31 AM
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if my number 8 blows id probably go this route lol
http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6...wer/index.html
500 hp N/A Crate 363 small block
Might be a better alternative for the OP (not red candy)
http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6...wer/index.html
500 hp N/A Crate 363 small block
Might be a better alternative for the OP (not red candy)
7/22/11, 11:46 AM
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Depends how long you've been reading forums. Heck I've been amazed at how many newbie 5.0 owners are totally clueless as to what's going on with the 'ghost cam'. They have no idea why Ford went back to DOHC, what overlap is, much less what it does. Just want to put the key in and have it go 'vroom'. Some of the posts sound like a bunch of secretaries instead of car guys. 
Wiser words have never been spoken on this issue.
Wiser words have never been spoken on this issue.
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7/22/11, 01:45 PM
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They were not aware that any of their tunes were directly responsible for any failures. Also I asked if they "ignored" the knock sensors and they DO NOT. Although I didn't get any race tunes (perfer the street tunes for everyday drivability), BAMA are constantly refining their tunes on real cars on a dyno, not just guessing and rewriting code, actually very impressive setup and monster wearhouse full of toy's
I (IMHO) think that these failures come from either too aggressive tunes, tracking the car or adding other mod's and not allowing for the change in their tunes.
BTW there have been at least 2 cases of #8's failing on stock un moded cars also.
7/22/11, 02:35 PM
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I remember that the Email tunes I had for 2007 GT were all customizable. That means that the user can change just about anything in the tune. Maybe some of the "new"
Mustang owners or some of the 7 blown #8 car owners have changed their tunes to get just a little more.
Mustang owners or some of the 7 blown #8 car owners have changed their tunes to get just a little more.
7/22/11, 02:57 PM
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Too many variables to mail order a tune. Even with dataloging and what not. Each car is specific and should be tuned accordingly. Custom dyno tune is the only way to go with a reputable and knowledgable tuner. You get what you pay for and sometimes you pay for it in the long run.
7/22/11, 03:04 PM
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Too many variables to mail order a tune. Even with dataloging and what not. Each car is specific and should be tuned accordingly. Custom dyno tune is the only way to go with a reputable and knowledgable tuner. You get what you pay for and sometimes you pay for it in the long run.
If you're gonna have a canned tune, for Pete's sake don't have the timing advanced so far and don't turn of the knock sensors. That's just ignorant.
7/22/11, 03:14 PM
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No... what you're not getting is that for most people, there was a reasonable expectation that these big name tuners knew what they were doing before selling tunes.
This is not like pulling a motor out of a Mustang in the junkyard, dropping it in your car and having the motor blow up after 7000 miles. The expectations are very different.
This is not my first Mustang but I still take some offense to your dismissive tone- that somehow new people are ignorant and have unrealistic expectations of what they're getting for their money. I believe you made these comments last time this debate came around...and it's baseless.
This is not like pulling a motor out of a Mustang in the junkyard, dropping it in your car and having the motor blow up after 7000 miles. The expectations are very different.
This is not my first Mustang but I still take some offense to your dismissive tone- that somehow new people are ignorant and have unrealistic expectations of what they're getting for their money. I believe you made these comments last time this debate came around...and it's baseless.
7/22/11, 03:16 PM
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7/22/11, 04:01 PM
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My claim is not baseless. We are adults. Caveat emptor......buyer beware. You have to take responsibility for your actions when it comes to buying aftermarket. If you believe everything or take your life in the hands of these tuners, then ur not thinking clearly. There is risk involved with anything you do to your car. My point, and I will try to not use a certain tone that offends you, is not that this is your first mustang, not that you have unrealistic expectations of what you are getting for money, but that if you think for one second it is anyones fault other than your own if your engine blows up from a tune you are crazy. None of these tuners are putting disclaimers on there tunes that say warning this tune will give you more horsepower AND increased engine life. And if your one of those people who need a warning that they could cause damage then maybe your the same person who needs the warning label on a hair dryer or iron so you don't throw it in a bath tub when your in it. I have a tune, several, and I enjoy it. My point was I can't believe how many people are surprised that an "aggressive" or "race" tune would be safe for everyday use. Thank you.
All the disclaimers in the world won't absolve the tuners if they were selling a bad product.
The problem is that a significant number of people have had a catastrophic failure-- enough so that we're all damned. Engine warranty: goodbye.
I understand that there is risk. I opted for a 91 Octane Performance tune (not race) and I have always run on 93 octane fuel...and I didn't hammer the motor when it would be particularly hot nor abuse it in any way. I suspect that this protection probably saved me from damage....what I'm personally mostly pissed about is that unlike with the 4.6L days, Ford is now willing and actively looking for evidence of past tuning to blame engine problems on.
Oh, your motor develops the famous mystery tick? Must have been the tune.
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7/22/11, 04:26 PM
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The problem is that a significant number of people have had a catastrophic failure-- enough so that we're all damned. Engine warranty: goodbye.
what I'm personally mostly pissed about is that unlike with the 4.6L days, Ford is now willing and actively looking for evidence of past tuning to blame engine problems on.
what I'm personally mostly pissed about is that unlike with the 4.6L days, Ford is now willing and actively looking for evidence of past tuning to blame engine problems on.
When I was at the Dealer (Feb 08, 4.6 3V) considering an extended warranty with a 'refund of premium' option, we had this discussion that if the after market product or tune causes the failure, neither Ford or the extended warranty would cover.
7/22/11, 05:18 PM
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You are assuming this is a new policy from Ford. It isn't. Plenty of posts about this.
When I was at the Dealer (Feb 08, 4.6 3V) considering an extended warranty with a 'refund of premium' option, we had this discussion that if the after market product or tune causes the failure, neither Ford or the extended warranty would cover.
When I was at the Dealer (Feb 08, 4.6 3V) considering an extended warranty with a 'refund of premium' option, we had this discussion that if the after market product or tune causes the failure, neither Ford or the extended warranty would cover.
7/22/11, 05:31 PM
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I literally just got off the phone with Bama, and the guy who was answering my questions said that he was briefed today on a new policy by Bama that any engine failure found to be a direct result of their tuning will be warrantied by Bama. He said "we stand behind our products, and we don't believe these failures are tune related. If they are proven to be, we will take care of you."
While I understand the "proven" caveat in there, I think even a statement/policy by a company like that is something pretty big. He also said "Bama has no knowledge of any car with our tune failing like that" which I know contradicts some things I have read on this board and others.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
Even though I plan on a custom dyno tune, my local shop still can't sell me the SCT hand held as cheap as Bama can in their CAI/SCT Combo with free shipping, so I will probably use a Bama 91 octane tune with 93 octane fuel for my "daily" tune, and then get a race tune done on a dyno.
While I understand the "proven" caveat in there, I think even a statement/policy by a company like that is something pretty big. He also said "Bama has no knowledge of any car with our tune failing like that" which I know contradicts some things I have read on this board and others.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
Even though I plan on a custom dyno tune, my local shop still can't sell me the SCT hand held as cheap as Bama can in their CAI/SCT Combo with free shipping, so I will probably use a Bama 91 octane tune with 93 octane fuel for my "daily" tune, and then get a race tune done on a dyno.
7/22/11, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackgt87
I literally just got off the phone with Bama, and the guy who was answering my questions said that he was briefed today on a new policy by Bama that any engine failure found to be a direct result of their tuning will be warrantied by Bama. He said "we stand behind our products, and we don't believe these failures are tune related. If they are proven to be, we will take care of you."
While I understand the "proven" caveat in there, I think even a statement/policy by a company like that is something pretty big. He also said "Bama has no knowledge of any car with our tune failing like that" which I know contradicts some things I have read on this board and others.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
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While I understand the "proven" caveat in there, I think even a statement/policy by a company like that is something pretty big. He also said "Bama has no knowledge of any car with our tune failing like that" which I know contradicts some things I have read on this board and others.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
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7/22/11, 06:30 PM
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He said they literally announced the policy today. He also said that customers who bought tunes before their "new warranty policy" will also be covered.
