2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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Pics of stinger's mom?


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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Don't know how accurate the info is but here is more about the 5.0 delay

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...90105-lot.html
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:43 PM
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My friend works at the dyno lab and has been telling me they're still having problems keeping the 5.0 together. A few of them aren't making it off the Dyno before they're done breaking them in.
Well that's encouraging. It's possible. Ford's durability testing prior can be rendered worthless if they cheapen out and change 1 part.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:58 PM
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Well that's encouraging. It's possible. Ford's durability testing prior can be rendered worthless if they cheapen out and change 1 part.
I don't buy it. With this big of a release they would never that stupid to take that kind of risk. In any case in the same thread somebody else claims he has dyno'd plenty of 5.0s with no problems.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:58 PM
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Evo, check out the link provided above. That is scary stuff to say the least. Engine problems on the dyno. I can't believe this BS about engines. They've put up so many hours testing them. Hopefully the hold up was for a shortage of parts. That's all i want to believe in anyways.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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Do you have a street address and zip code so we can look?

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Of course, now that the lots are full, I'm sure that my GT that was built on the 13th is tucked against the fence and will take a month to get here.

Hopefully this is all sorted out soon and the cars start shipping.


EDIT: Holy crap, just took a look at AAI on Google Maps. Those lots are ginormous. They could fit a ton of Mustangs in there. I really hope mine is close to the end of a line so it will get shipped soon.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:23 PM
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Do you have a street address and zip code so we can look?
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.10...z=16&t=h&hl=en
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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Do you have a street address and zip code so we can look?
Just search for "flat rock, MI" in bing maps and you can't miss it.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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Just search for "flat rock, MI" in bing maps and you can't miss it.
Just remember those maps are usually at least a year old, but it is a HUGE facility!
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:39 PM
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Here's a noob question from a noob ... Does anyone know if Ford ships on weekends? Or is it strictly a Monday-Friday deal? Just curious since they obviously have alot of cars on their lots ... so just wondering how many days a week they will be shipping (the weekend makes up 29% of the week).
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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Wow. Comparing ordering a pizza to building a performance car by hand on an assembly line.
Um, "building a performance car by hand on an assembly line..." That's a HUGE stretch.

It's ASSEMBLING a car. There's no design, engineering, or significant thought into the line. Each worker has a very specific, simple task. The UAW ensures that thought is not a big requirement for MOST of the workers. Ford ensures that the cars design and engineering happen long before the UAW gets their hands on it. Robots handle a lot of the precision work.

Compared with assembling a pizza, it's about the same thing but without pneumatic tools.

And there's NO reason without technology you can't track a car moving down the line. I suspect you and Henry Ford worked together back in the day when parts were fabricated next to the assembly line.

We also have computers now too. And the Internet. And color TV. And running water. I know, it's all kind of overwhelming.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by IT_Guru
Just remember those maps are usually at least a year old, but it is a HUGE facility!
WHAT a cool track. How would you like to have that in your back yard?
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by corvettedreamin
Um, "building a performance car by hand on an assembly line..." That's a HUGE stretch.

It's ASSEMBLING a car. There's no design, engineering, or significant thought into the line. Each worker has a very specific, simple task. The UAW ensures that thought is not a big requirement for MOST of the workers. Ford ensures that the cars design and engineering happen long before the UAW gets their hands on it. Robots handle a lot of the precision work.

Compared with assembling a pizza, it's about the same thing but without pneumatic tools.

And there's NO reason without technology you can't track a car moving down the line. I suspect you and Henry Ford worked together back in the day when parts were fabricated next to the assembly line.

We also have computers now too. And the Internet. And color TV. And running water. I know, it's all kind of overwhelming.
Yeah it is built by hand... it is not assembled entirely by robotics. Humans are deeply involved.

And so now you want the line to stop so every point can be scanned into a barcode reader and then posted online so the guy in his living room in his bathrobe can know every minutiae of assembly?? Or so the iPod/facebook crowd can update their minions every second? What purpose would it serve?

I'm from a long line of machinists, engineers, and carpenters. But my main career was in the coffee business - which included years of being in the kitchen of many a pizza joint with pimple faced kids playing games when the boss went home.

No disrespect, but you don't know what you're talking about comparing the two.

"Hey - did you torque that pepperoni to the cheese correctly?"

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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 06:56 PM
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no offense but a dealer trade is not the same as a regional lot. you still have to keep a great number of cars at your lot costing your dealership a lot of money. think of how much smaller a dealership may be if it did the regional lot idea. That would keep cost low and allowed to be passed on to custumer.
The regional lot would make absolutely no difference in carrying cost. Say my region sells 1000 cars a month and wants to keep a 60 day supply available that means that 2000 cars need to be on the ground. What is the difference if they are parked at one lot or spread out within the 20 dealers in the region carrying costs are exactly the same. Also the dealer willing to invest more money on inventory and property to park them on should be rewarded with the advantage of more inventory to sell immediately.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:01 PM
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i uderstand partly where your coming from bryan and your right there will be bad dealers everywhere that would not pass any savings onto the custumer. they would be happy to just absolve that new found profit. Greed is powerfull.

thankfully there will always be dealers like yours that realize give a good price on a vehicle and they will be back. plus actually care that the custumers needs are meet. a winning recipe every time.

i also think you are forgeting the dealer will have not having to have the humongous footage that is really expensive epsecially when you are talking about city dealerships.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:04 PM
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WHAT a cool track. How would you like to have that in your back yard?
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Yeah it is built by hand... it is not assembled entirely by robotics. Humans are deeply involved.

And so now you want the line to stop so every point can be scanned into a barcode reader and then posted online so the guy in his living room in his bathrobe can know every minutiae of assembly?? Or so the iPod/facebook crowd can update their minions every second? What purpose would it serve?

I'm from a long line of machinists, engineers, and carpenters. But my main career was in the coffee business - which included years of being in the kitchen of many a pizza joint with pimple faced kids playing games when the boss went home.

No disrespect, but you don't know what you're talking about comparing the two.

"Hey - did you torque that pepperoni to the cheese correctly?"
No disrespect but have you heard of RFID technology? Barcodes are a little too 80's. Effective and inexpensive, yes. But we've moved to the 21st century.

And the torque spec for pepperoni is variable but it's loosely based on the viscosity of the cheese and the force of gravity. No special tools involved.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the average line worker doesn't have to "torque" anything. . . their torque wrenches are preset specifically to minimize the ham-fistedness of the average unskilled worker. Step 1: Put wrench on six-sided bolt or nut. Step 2: Squeeze trigger/lever until wrench stops turning. Step 3: Repeat until all fasteners are tight.

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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:20 PM
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Even a nice lake to go speed boating. Of course with twin turbo inboard 5.0 motors.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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This all pizza comparasion thing is starting to get me hungry.
Old Apr 22, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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That link about 5.0's blowing up on the dyno due to cheap parts is not what the hold is abotu that person is talking out their butt. the production 5.0 is fine and the problem is not related to parts quality at all

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