5.0 engine teardown at Livernois Motorsports
I'll repeat: I WANT A NEW ECU NOW !!!! ( line from Jack Bauer at 03:00hr in season 7) 
On a more serious note, would this be why not much can be squeezed out of the new 5.0 with a CAI and tune. Just sayin'.

On a more serious note, would this be why not much can be squeezed out of the new 5.0 with a CAI and tune. Just sayin'.

I know about Shaun's car putting out 415hp, but don't know what has been done to his car to achieve such numbers. I was referring to a CAI and tune ala Steeda. Check out 5.0 mods. i'm all over this right now since i have one on the way. Dissapointed to say the least. I'll have my vendor call them tomorrow.
I know about Shaun's car putting out 415hp, but don't know what has been done to his car to achieve such numbers. I was referring to a CAI and tune ala Steeda. Check out 5.0 mods. i'm all over this right now since i have one on the way. Dissapointed to say the least. I'll have my vendor call them tomorrow.
Thus the boost from 391 to 415 RWHP is all tune, for 24 hp. Shaun didn't have a CAI installed at that time.
Last edited by PTRocks; Jun 29, 2010 at 04:31 PM.
Yep, Chris is right. The tune woke up Shaun's car with NO other mods.
This is what leads me to believe that the Steeda CAI is going to benefit most from the tune, not from the intake. The "package" itself is where you'll see the numbers.
This is what leads me to believe that the Steeda CAI is going to benefit most from the tune, not from the intake. The "package" itself is where you'll see the numbers.
I've found that generally work areas can be either spotless or functional. Rarely is it both. It would seem that Livernois is an exception to that, however.
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There is NO reason you, or anyone else on this board needs a new ECU. If the Grand Am Boss 302R1 dont need to rev above 7,500 why the heck do youguys?!?!??!?!?!?!?
My car made 391 BONE STOCK to the tire when broken in.
with a ONLY a tune it made 415 thats a 24hp improvement.
the CAI should go on this week and I am guessing I will see a 10 hp imporvement.
so tuned and CAI = add ~34 hp thats massive!
Last edited by Stinger1982; Jun 29, 2010 at 05:00 PM.
no, the ECU has nothing to do with that.
There is NO reason you, or anyone else on this board needs a new ECU. If the Grand Am Boss 302R1 dont need to rev above 7,500 why the heck do youguys?!?!??!?!?!?!?
My car made 391 BONE STOCK to the tire when broken in.
with a ONLY a tune it made 415 thats a 24hp improvement.
the CAI should go on this week and I am guessing I will see a 10 hp imporvement.
so tuned and CAI = add ~34 hp thats massive!
There is NO reason you, or anyone else on this board needs a new ECU. If the Grand Am Boss 302R1 dont need to rev above 7,500 why the heck do youguys?!?!??!?!?!?!?
My car made 391 BONE STOCK to the tire when broken in.
with a ONLY a tune it made 415 thats a 24hp improvement.
the CAI should go on this week and I am guessing I will see a 10 hp imporvement.
so tuned and CAI = add ~34 hp thats massive!
no, the ECU has nothing to do with that.
There is NO reason you, or anyone else on this board needs a new ECU. If the Grand Am Boss 302R1 dont need to rev above 7,500 why the heck do youguys?!?!??!?!?!?!?
My car made 391 BONE STOCK to the tire when broken in.
with a ONLY a tune it made 415 thats a 24hp improvement.
the CAI should go on this week and I am guessing I will see a 10 hp imporvement.
so tuned and CAI = add ~34 hp thats massive!
There is NO reason you, or anyone else on this board needs a new ECU. If the Grand Am Boss 302R1 dont need to rev above 7,500 why the heck do youguys?!?!??!?!?!?!?
My car made 391 BONE STOCK to the tire when broken in.
with a ONLY a tune it made 415 thats a 24hp improvement.
the CAI should go on this week and I am guessing I will see a 10 hp imporvement.
so tuned and CAI = add ~34 hp thats massive!
Maybe in later years we will see a 5.0 TiVCT with direct injection and lightweight valve train spinning north of 8k RPM. Who knows... I would guess only as a limited production engine. This is just me dreaming however, I am no insider.
Besides all of that, you guys will need some head work done before you should even think about going past 7500 RPM. Then you would need some kind of new ECU or piggy back system. you got to pay to play...
Maybe in later years we will see a 5.0 TiVCT with direct injection and lightweight valve train spinning north of 8k RPM. Who knows... I would guess only as a limited production engine. This is just me dreaming however, I am no insider.
Maybe in later years we will see a 5.0 TiVCT with direct injection and lightweight valve train spinning north of 8k RPM. Who knows... I would guess only as a limited production engine. This is just me dreaming however, I am no insider.
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I know, but others are way more serious it was a general comment to all
these heads are good well past 7,500......
Besides all of that, you guys will need some head work done before you should even think about going past 7500 RPM. Then you would need some kind of new ECU or piggy back system. you got to pay to play...
Maybe in later years we will see a 5.0 TiVCT with direct injection and lightweight valve train spinning north of 8k RPM. Who knows... I would guess only as a limited production engine. This is just me dreaming however, I am no insider.
Maybe in later years we will see a 5.0 TiVCT with direct injection and lightweight valve train spinning north of 8k RPM. Who knows... I would guess only as a limited production engine. This is just me dreaming however, I am no insider.
I am sure Livernois will share some more info on the heads. (You have a PM Chrisheltra)
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I am the one who said that.
That's valvetrain. I said the heads are good, they flow just fine.
That's valvetrain. I said the heads are good, they flow just fine.
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That's why I made the post I did. Not because of you I know your legit. Some of the spaz's on the other hand




of course i was just messing around about the ECU. Just wondering though about this all Steeda CAI and tune thing happening over at the 5.0 mods thread.