2011 Mustang vs ?
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BTW, you may want to think about re-upholstering either 2005+ or 2010+ doors- my friend with your utopian BMW 3 series is very disappointed because his elbow and forearm has totally worn away the vinyl covering over the plastic door panel underneath, especially where you'd have your elbow folded resting on the top of the door out the window. Not a good idea.
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Have you been in a 2010+ Mustang?!? While its a similar shape, the door panels are NOT carryover 2005+, they are a brand new design ( remember it matches the shape of the new 2010 console ) with the soft inserts as you mentioned, but also the entire door panel is a much higher quality plastic that you cannot scratch with your fingernail ( you're confusing the door with the 2005 console top. ).
#23
The 2011 Mustang has seemed to really leave its pony car heritage in the dust. It is more of a luxury coupe competing against BMW, Audi ect. The only part of the heritage left is the SRA. Is it really competing against the Camaro and Challenger? This has seemed to develop into a luxury coupe. With its upgraded interior material, modern body style, quieter cabin with sound tube and even an engine that resembles a european dressed one. Will the rawness and joy of driving the '11 be the same as the past or will it feel like driving a BMW or any other comparable coupe?
Thoughts on this?
Thoughts on this?
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2007 GT Premium MSRP: 26,875
2010 GT Premium MSRP: 30,995
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difference: $4120
I think there are two big reasons why the price of the Mustang went up: Camaro and Challenger. Ford realized that it was leaving money on the table for the GT models and increased the price accordingly. To their credit, they also refined the car quite a bit and left the base V6 model's price near 20 grand.
Let's remember once more that the 2011 V6 has 305HP, compared to 300 in the 2007 GT. If you need leather, the 2011 V6 premium will set you back $23,995. I'm guessing, since 2011 pricing has not been announced, that MSRP stays close to current for 2011. That gives us five more ponies, better interior, and 30MPG for $3k less than the 2007 GT Premium.
I see what you are saying about pricing per model, but when you look a dollar per horsepower, I think the 2011 will come out way ahead.
2010 GT Premium MSRP: 30,995
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difference: $4120
I think there are two big reasons why the price of the Mustang went up: Camaro and Challenger. Ford realized that it was leaving money on the table for the GT models and increased the price accordingly. To their credit, they also refined the car quite a bit and left the base V6 model's price near 20 grand.
Let's remember once more that the 2011 V6 has 305HP, compared to 300 in the 2007 GT. If you need leather, the 2011 V6 premium will set you back $23,995. I'm guessing, since 2011 pricing has not been announced, that MSRP stays close to current for 2011. That gives us five more ponies, better interior, and 30MPG for $3k less than the 2007 GT Premium.
I see what you are saying about pricing per model, but when you look a dollar per horsepower, I think the 2011 will come out way ahead.
Great summary of what I would have said, Im in shock from what the Mustang Prices have come to.
In 07 I ordered a GT/CS with 3.55 gears and as you know it has a upgraded interior including heated seats. It was 30 grand then 27k with my A plan..
Now if you want a loaded GT that has just SOME of the items the GT/CS had, You are looking at almost 38k..
So Ford is really really killing itself by boosting these prices soo high . 8 grand in 3 years wayyy too much Ford WTF?
In 07 I ordered a GT/CS with 3.55 gears and as you know it has a upgraded interior including heated seats. It was 30 grand then 27k with my A plan..
Now if you want a loaded GT that has just SOME of the items the GT/CS had, You are looking at almost 38k..
So Ford is really really killing itself by boosting these prices soo high . 8 grand in 3 years wayyy too much Ford WTF?
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I dont agree on those prices, No matter if you got them from Ford, TThis summer the V6s I seen were up to 32 grand on our lots.
Matter of Fact I will go today and snap pictures of the GTs sitting on the lots. There isnt a single GT on 4 of the local lots under 35k, That even had options near what a California Special has. Like I said a fully optioned GT/CS is 07 was 30,500
Now a GT with options similar are way over 36k
Matter of Fact I will go today and snap pictures of the GTs sitting on the lots. There isnt a single GT on 4 of the local lots under 35k, That even had options near what a California Special has. Like I said a fully optioned GT/CS is 07 was 30,500
Now a GT with options similar are way over 36k
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Dave07997S, I agree with stangsimon's assessment. The door panel plastic is a noticably nicer plastic, differently shaped for the re-design. It was immediately obvious when I put my new '10's door panel up against that in my traded-in '07 GT. I was pleasantly surprised at the material difference.
Tony and Stansimon yes I have been in the 2010 stang..the door panel while it may be a tad nicer and I'm being generous here, it is still hard plastic with the molding flash on the ends. The 2010 interior is the reason I am in the Mustang camp again. My beef is if you went through all this trouble to redesign the interior why don't you use a soft feel material to cover up that plastic...how much more can it be? It is still a hard plastic, get into a Fusion and feel the soft material covering the door panel. Once again I'm not talking about the door panel inserts, but the actual huge hunk of plastic that covers the door innards.
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Tony and Stansimon yes I have been in the 2010 stang..the door panel while it may be a tad nicer and I'm being generous here, it is still hard plastic with the molding flash on the ends. The 2010 interior is the reason I am in the Mustang camp again. My beef is if you went through all this trouble to redesign the interior why don't you use a soft feel material to cover up that plastic...how much more can it be? It is still a hard plastic, get into a Fusion and feel the soft material covering the door panel. Once again I'm not talking about the door panel inserts, but the actual huge hunk of plastic that covers the door innards.
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My mother's 2003 VW Jetta TDI had a wonderful, soft, well-constructed dash, but its door panels were hard plastic. She just got a 2010 BMW 335d Sport and, like the Jetta, its doors are constructed from hard plastic. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of abuse your doors receive as opposed to the dash, in addition to cost considerations, obviously.
Dave
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Tony and Stansimon yes I have been in the 2010 stang..the door panel while it may be a tad nicer and I'm being generous here, it is still hard plastic with the molding flash on the ends. The 2010 interior is the reason I am in the Mustang camp again. My beef is if you went through all this trouble to redesign the interior why don't you use a soft feel material to cover up that plastic...how much more can it be?
The material to me looks very similar in composition to my wife's BMW-engineered MINI Cooper door panels, so that is part of my comparison basis.
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That is the $64.00 question! I don't know if the plastic material itself was part of the sound dampening solution (I would think it would NOT be), but I believe I recall seeing something about changes to support noise reduction and the door panels were mentioned (perhaps it is material behind the panels). Hard to say what the effect on cost would be, especially when looking at the economics of the total sum of changes, supplier costs, and durability parameters.
I will do that to compare.
The material to me looks very similar in composition to my wife's BMW-engineered MINI Cooper door panels, so that is part of my comparison basis.
I will do that to compare.
The material to me looks very similar in composition to my wife's BMW-engineered MINI Cooper door panels, so that is part of my comparison basis.
The 2010+ Mustang with electronics package is a sweet setup..I would yank out the stock seats and go with a set of these
This would save close to 40lbs and they look so good and the Cobra stitching is a nice touch. Had a set of Cobra seats in my 98 Mustang Cobra..loved them.
Dave
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The 2010+ Mustang with electronics package is a sweet setup..I would yank out the stock seats and go with a set of these
This would save close to 40lbs and they look so good and the Cobra stitching is a nice touch. Had a set of Cobra seats in my 98 Mustang Cobra..loved them.
This would save close to 40lbs and they look so good and the Cobra stitching is a nice touch. Had a set of Cobra seats in my 98 Mustang Cobra..loved them.
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Mustang got really pricey really fast. Back in 2000 when I got my first Mustang V6 you could've pick one up for under $14,000. And I think I got more car for money than with my '08 GT.
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2007 GT Premium MSRP: 26,875
2010 GT Premium MSRP: 30,995
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difference: $4120
I think there are two big reasons why the price of the Mustang went up: Camaro and Challenger. Ford realized that it was leaving money on the table for the GT models and increased the price accordingly. To their credit, they also refined the car quite a bit and left the base V6 model's price near 20 grand.
Let's remember once more that the 2011 V6 has 305HP, compared to 300 in the 2007 GT. If you need leather, the 2011 V6 premium will set you back $23,995. I'm guessing, since 2011 pricing has not been announced, that MSRP stays close to current for 2011. That gives us five more ponies, better interior, and 30MPG for $3k less than the 2007 GT Premium.
I see what you are saying about pricing per model, but when you look a dollar per horsepower, I think the 2011 will come out way ahead.
2010 GT Premium MSRP: 30,995
-------------------------------
difference: $4120
I think there are two big reasons why the price of the Mustang went up: Camaro and Challenger. Ford realized that it was leaving money on the table for the GT models and increased the price accordingly. To their credit, they also refined the car quite a bit and left the base V6 model's price near 20 grand.
Let's remember once more that the 2011 V6 has 305HP, compared to 300 in the 2007 GT. If you need leather, the 2011 V6 premium will set you back $23,995. I'm guessing, since 2011 pricing has not been announced, that MSRP stays close to current for 2011. That gives us five more ponies, better interior, and 30MPG for $3k less than the 2007 GT Premium.
I see what you are saying about pricing per model, but when you look a dollar per horsepower, I think the 2011 will come out way ahead.
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Keep in mind...you have almost 10 years of inflation. You take $14k with an avg. of 3% inflation a year and it comes out to around $19k. Pretty much what you can buy a V6 Stang for today. Also keep in mind that a new V6 Mustang has more content...you can get Nav and a lot of other creature comforts you couldn't get in 2000 not to mention a much better put together car.
Dave
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Whats funny is price out a fully loaded Focus..you are at $20k, a new Corolla is $22k fully loaded and so on. In the scheme of things you get a lot of car for $30k in a new Mustang. Where they will have an issue is the fact you can get into a Nissan 370Z for the same price range. Granted the Stang has back seats and more utility but there is competition in this price range and almost good enough isn't good enough anymore and Ford has realized this. I predict an IRS in the next few years and put the LRA out to pasture or the glue factory.
Dave