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Old 1/20/10, 06:28 PM
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At last!

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Hey guys, I have the Order Guide and I have posted it in a new thread with a link below!!!!!! BOTH OF THEM for our northern friends!!!

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Old 1/20/10, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RickyD
My dealer (In Laval, Quebec) told me he should have the price on my 2011 GT-500 early next week.
I guess pricing on GT will also be avail... but, that soon for GT500 is optimistic IMO !?

Lets wait a few more days...
Let me know if'ya hear anything, but seriously, that's seems a bit optimistic. They're unveiling the car at the Chicago show.
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Hi guys. This is my first post here, but I have been lurking for a very very long time.

I just wanted to reply to some of the people who have been complaining that the Mustang is moving "up market" or is becoming too expensive. I think I can give a little perspective.

First, a quick history lesson:

From 1996 to 2001 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Cobra, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2003 to 2004 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Mach 1, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2005 to 2010 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the GT, and it cost around $26,000 to $34,000.

In 2011 Ford will produce a 300hp Mustang. This time though it will be the base Mustang, and will cost between $23,000 and $30,000.

Some of my numbers may be a bit off (a little more horsepower here, a slightly different price there), but not by much. The point I am trying to make though should be clear. Ford has not inflated the price-for-performance AT ALL in the last 15 years! In fact, you will be able to get performance equal to my '97 Cobra in an immensely more sophisticated vehicle in next year's V6 for LESS money than I spent in the summer of 1996!

I think a lot of guys are getting hung up on the "idea" of a GT vs V6 Mustang. In the past, if you wanted a real performance Mustang you didn't look lower than the V8 powered GT. The V6 was thought of as the grocery-getter in the line-up. Starting next year, this is no longer true.

To put it another way, let me ask this question: If Ford had completely dropped the V6 from the line-up for 2011, and they offered the 2010 GT's engine and transmission as the base model drivetrain, and the new 5.0 was an upgradable drivetrain option... would you guys be complaining?

You would have a 300hp Mustang for $23,000 to $30,000, and a 400hp Mustang for $30,000 to $40,000... but they would both be V8 powered. I guarantee you would all be lining up to talk about what a great performance deal the 2011 Mustangs are from top to bottom.

Well, they are still that great deal. The only difference is... that 300hp Mustang is going to be V6 powered and get 30mpg.

Now, I am planning on getting a 2011 GT myself, but after next year I will never think of a V6 powered Stang the same way again. Maybe we should all stop being V8 "snobs" and focus more on the performance produced rather than what is under the hood.
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Originally Posted by RexRacer
Hi guys. This is my first post here, but I have been lurking for a very very long time.

I just wanted to reply to some of the people who have been complaining that the Mustang is moving "up market" or is becoming too expensive. I think I can give a little perspective.

First, a quick history lesson:

From 1996 to 2001 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Cobra, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2003 to 2004 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Mach 1, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2005 to 2010 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the GT, and it cost around $26,000 to $34,000.

In 2011 Ford will produce a 300hp Mustang. This time though it will be the base Mustang, and will cost between $23,000 and $30,000.

Some of my numbers may be a bit off (a little more horsepower here, a slightly different price there), but not by much. The point I am trying to make though should be clear. Ford has not inflated the price-for-performance AT ALL in the last 15 years! In fact, you will be able to get performance equal to my '97 Cobra in an immensely more sophisticated vehicle in next year's V6 for LESS money than I spent in the summer of 1996!

I think a lot of guys are getting hung up on the "idea" of a GT vs V6 Mustang. In the past, if you wanted a real performance Mustang you didn't look lower than the V8 powered GT. The V6 was thought of as the grocery-getter in the line-up. Starting next year, this is no longer true.

To put it another way, let me ask this question: If Ford had completely dropped the V6 from the line-up for 2011, and they offered the 2010 GT's engine and transmission as the base model drivetrain, and the new 5.0 was an upgradable drivetrain option... would you guys be complaining?

You would have a 300hp Mustang for $23,000 to $30,000, and a 400hp Mustang for $30,000 to $40,000... but they would both be V8 powered. I guarantee you would all be lining up to talk about what a great performance deal the 2011 Mustangs are from top to bottom.

Well, they are still that great deal. The only difference is... that 300hp Mustang is going to be V6 powered and get 30mpg.

Now, I am planning on getting a 2011 GT myself, but after next year I will never think of a V6 powered Stang the same way again. Maybe we should all stop being V8 "snobs" and focus more on the performance produced rather than what is under the hood.
Although it is a interesting history lesson, I have never been of the opinion that Peak flywheel HP @ redline was the best way to describe the overall performance of a vehicle or its capabilities. Torque, power under the curve, gearing, etc all come into play. A 300 HP 4.6L V8 can drive and perform very differently than a 300HP 3.7L V6, your 97 Cobra I would expect to still be faster than a '11 V6. Also, at 3.7L the 300HP is V6 probably will not respond as well to mods/tunes as our 4.6s do. I highly doubt you could pick up 30 RWHP w/ a CAI/Tune, and supercharging may also not yield as strong a result.

The V6 is no doubt a tremendous value (much more so than my '99 190 hp 3.8L!), but I'm just not sure I see it "taking the place" of a V8 powerplant, either in stock performance or mod potential.
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I guess we'll find out in a couple months when the reviews start coming in. For people who have not already been "spoiled" by 300+ hp cars, I think the V6 Mustang will be a real eye opener. Heck, a lot of people will probably buy one just because it's beautiful and will shocked when they one day actually put their right foot all the way to the floor.
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Originally Posted by RexRacer

Now, I am planning on getting a 2011 GT myself, but after next year I will never think of a V6 powered Stang the same way again. Maybe we should all stop being V8 "snobs" and focus more on the performance produced rather than what is under the hood.
You know, I think it has less to do with the engine being a V6 and more to do with the old car having all the performance of a boat anchor. I certainly wouldn't say a 997 is a heap because it doesn't come with a V8. The new 3.7L Mustang is going to change that perception, for sure.
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Ford's stepped their game up, so you can't hate on them for doing that. They offer a value that would make a lot of people reconsider a FWD 4-cylinder performance car (MS3, GTI, GenCoupe, Si) for a V6 RWD performance car (V6 with Performance Pack). I think it's a smart business move, and one that will get a new crowd of people into the Mustang and hopefully into more Fords in the future. The new V8 seats itself right in the middle of things, and after the auto news review things, we'll see what they have to say about it compared to the Camaro and Challenger. I'm pretty sure it'll walk away with most comparo tests.
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Originally Posted by RexRacer
Hi guys. This is my first post here, but I have been lurking for a very very long time.

I just wanted to reply to some of the people who have been complaining that the Mustang is moving "up market" or is becoming too expensive. I think I can give a little perspective.

First, a quick history lesson:

From 1996 to 2001 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Cobra, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2003 to 2004 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the Mach 1, and it cost around $27,000 to $35,000.

From 2005 to 2010 Ford produced a 300hp Mustang. They called it the GT, and it cost around $26,000 to $34,000.

In 2011 Ford will produce a 300hp Mustang. This time though it will be the base Mustang, and will cost between $23,000 and $30,000.

Some of my numbers may be a bit off (a little more horsepower here, a slightly different price there), but not by much. The point I am trying to make though should be clear. Ford has not inflated the price-for-performance AT ALL in the last 15 years! In fact, you will be able to get performance equal to my '97 Cobra in an immensely more sophisticated vehicle in next year's V6 for LESS money than I spent in the summer of 1996!

I think a lot of guys are getting hung up on the "idea" of a GT vs V6 Mustang. In the past, if you wanted a real performance Mustang you didn't look lower than the V8 powered GT. The V6 was thought of as the grocery-getter in the line-up. Starting next year, this is no longer true.

To put it another way, let me ask this question: If Ford had completely dropped the V6 from the line-up for 2011, and they offered the 2010 GT's engine and transmission as the base model drivetrain, and the new 5.0 was an upgradable drivetrain option... would you guys be complaining?

You would have a 300hp Mustang for $23,000 to $30,000, and a 400hp Mustang for $30,000 to $40,000... but they would both be V8 powered. I guarantee you would all be lining up to talk about what a great performance deal the 2011 Mustangs are from top to bottom.

Well, they are still that great deal. The only difference is... that 300hp Mustang is going to be V6 powered and get 30mpg.

Now, I am planning on getting a 2011 GT myself, but after next year I will never think of a V6 powered Stang the same way again. Maybe we should all stop being V8 "snobs" and focus more on the performance produced rather than what is under the hood.
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Ditto.
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
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Agreed.
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yeah the v6 3.7 will be a great engine. thats no doubt. plus it will help some of the "gotta have a v8" guys to rethink about performance.

but for me. no v6 will ever play the harmony v8s play. and at the end of the day. we all have been guilty of turning the radio down to let the engine sing to you though a good aftermarket exhaust. One of the best tunes ever played IMO.

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Originally Posted by Overboost
Ford's stepped their game up, so you can't hate on them for doing that. They offer a value that would make a lot of people reconsider a FWD 4-cylinder performance car (MS3, GTI, GenCoupe, Si) for a V6 RWD performance car (V6 with Performance Pack). I think it's a smart business move, and one that will get a new crowd of people into the Mustang and hopefully into more Fords in the future. The new V8 seats itself right in the middle of things, and after the auto news review things, we'll see what they have to say about it compared to the Camaro and Challenger. I'm pretty sure it'll walk away with most comparo tests.
I hope Ford actually advertises the 2011 V6. I've never seen a commercial for a Mustang before except as a passing mention for some Ford sales event. (Maybe it's a New England thing.) I stumbled on the Mustang accidentally while car shopping this past fall and that was because of a random ad for the Camaro mentioning its price and fuel efficiency. This was around the time the 2011 specs were to be announced and the rumors were impressive. I wasn't even looking for a powerful car. Just a coupe to drive daily with good fuel economy at a reasonable price which wasn't terribly ugly. My mind was made up when I realized I could get all that in a car that would also be fun.

All I think they need to do is market it as a car which will meet your driving needs during the week and is fun on the weekend. I've seen a small handful of old 60's Mustang ads. Didn't they market it as a car for anyone which was also fun to drive?
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US CANUCKS need the Canadian price list. If 'ya hear anything Jeff, keep us posted. Thanks
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Can someone explain to me what is Ford referring too as X-plan , D-plan . What are the advantages of each. Is it for a lease car or buy car ?
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Originally Posted by montreal ponies
Can someone explain to me what is Ford referring too as X-plan , D-plan . What are the advantages of each. Is it for a lease car or buy car ?
Hi Dan,

Check the sticky thread at the top of the 2010+ section, all the info is there.
Else, give me a shout at work tomorrow.
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So Red Candy isn't going to be available with the Brick Red interior anymore?

EDIT: I posted this in the wrong thread.

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Thanks stangfoeva, RandyW, and WarpdSpazm! But now I have a lot to live up to in future posts...

jedikd, you bring up some valid points. Especially concerning how easy the new V6 will be to mod or not. But I would honestly be shocked if it doesn't produce numbers very close to the previous Mustangs in the "300hp club". Basically I am expecting 0-60 in 5.0 to 5.5 seconds, and a 1/4 Mile run in around 13.5 to 14.0 seconds. Plus it should be nice and light for some fun corner-carving.

trick25, I hear you loud and clear! While I am singing the praises of the new V6, keep in mind that I am choosing the new 5.0 myself. I love the sweet sound of a Ford V8 rumbling at idle or screaming to the redline. Just because the new V6 is a great deal doesn't mean I have gone crazy and forgotten about that gorgeous new 5 liter monster.
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It sucks that the new V6 will come with 2.73s standard with 3.31s optional. Throw some 3.73s in that thing and see what it will do!
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Originally Posted by laserred38
It sucks that the new V6 will come with 2.73s standard with 3.31s optional. Throw some 3.73s in that thing and see what it will do!

yep. i want to see this done too. bet it will wake her up. i dont think the new v6 will be close to 13s cause of the 2.73s

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2011 Mustang GT $27385
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