Is that why we have 24 PSI GT500's out there with 850RWHP?

 

I'm not trying to attack you, but goodness man not eveything is about the GT500.

I'm sure MARZ wasn't even thinking about it in his post

 

The 550 horsepower FRPP / Whipple supercharger package is rated at 550 (crank) horsepower at 10-12 lbs of boost. I was merely stating the obvious -- in order to achieve that power output with the 5.0L, you should only need 5 or 6 pounds of boost. The sophisticated adaptive tune and knock sensors will definitely come into play, especially considering the Coyote's 11:1 compression ratio.

 

Exactly. The people wanting to run a 3.4L Whipple at 24 pounds of boost making 850 horsepower will still have their GT500, albeit with a different block material.

For the rest of us, there's the new 5.0L Mustang GT.

 

The front rotors are up almost an inch (12.4 -> 13.2) and are larger than the SN-95 Cobra/Mach 1/Bullitt rotors (13.0). Cool!

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

It has to do with you can never have enough boost! That was the point, I didn't get the "5 or 6 psi is all you need " comment.

 

"Need" and "want" are two completely different things.

 

It doesn't weigh those weights guys, come on..lets be serious

Also, what Marz's meaning, is you won't need the ammount of boost to achieve the same goals on the 3v 4.6 (asside from the 0.4L advantage)
The engine is on a completely different playing field.

Even a 5.4 being as over engineered as it is, if it had the new tech of the 5L family, ungodly ammounts of power could be achieved, ... and lighter.... so what could a 5L do potentially?
Hold on to your hats kids

 

'Beep! Beep!'

 

Hopefully it doesn't, but one might reasonably expect some weight gain. I do find it curious that the quoted values in the spec sheet are in GT500 range. Perhaps it was a misquote.

 

It doesn't.
Happy now

Potentially yes I guess it could if you add glass roof+shaker1000+all the bells and whistles+Oprah options

 

I honestly think Ford is taking a poke at GM with their "estimates" and rubbing it in. As good as the Camaro is weight in its current form is a killer. Camaro5 already locked one thread about weight. They just cant wrap their heads around reality.

 

To be honest, the mods here would lock threads that were a mirror image.

 

I don't think so man. You don't even notice the mods here unless you need them. Which is a VERY GOOD thing IMO

 

Besides the weight, there is another thing in that spec sheet that I question. If you look at the official photos of the 2011 GT it has the 18" polished aluminum wheels that are optional on the 2010's. The spec sheet describes two different 18" wheels and both are painted, not polished.

 

Big brakes are a good thing. Tony, I know you own or owned a Mach and S197. The brakes on my Mach are as good as anything I have ever driven. Bear in mind I have not drove ultra high performance cars like Vettes so I dont have much to draw on experience wise. I have driven a S197 quite a bit and felt they were not quite as strong. One reason in my case the S197 was a auto and a vert with much more weight. These 2011 cars will probably weigh in 150- 200 lbs more give or take than a mach 1 and need a slightly bigger brake.

What is your opinion and experience. I never thought I would see the day that brakes were so important to me. I must be getting old. My 67 stang had drum brakes all around and if you went through a water puddle they would grab and do all sorts of crazy things. Anybody remember those days?

 

I was 2 at the time of the '67 Mustangs, so I missed the crazy drum brake action of those Mustangs.

However, I will say this about the Mach 1's brakes (which I still have) and the now 2 S197s I've had (trade-in '07 and recently purchased '10) - the brake feel on the Mach brakes is more firm than the S197. Also, there is probably about an 80+ lb difference between the Mach and the S197 GT, so it is not a huge amount. However, in both cases, if driving in extreme high performance situations (road course), both of the stock systems fade out. On the street, it's hard to tell which brakes are "better", other than to notice the pedal feel and the G-load when you brake hard.

The larger rotors are good since the GTs will now have a power level much higher than the current one or even the Mach 1s. It will be interesting to see how they resist fade when they heat up under hard driving.

I did a brake upgrade on the cheap on the Mach by getting a new set of stock rotors (made by Brembo), Hawk street performance pads, stainless steel brake lines for the front, and higher temperature brake fluid. This is for periodic road course driving (high performance driving events) where I can run for a little longer than when using the stock brakes and not worry about fade early in the session. If I was weekend racing the new '11 GT, I most likely would be looking at the Brembo upgrade (calipers + 14" rotors), along with a performance-oriented pad.

I think the bottom line is that for street driving, a larger 13.2" rotor is a solid change for the better to account for the 2011 GT's performance potential.

 

thanks for the run down. If the new Gt is as good as the Mach 1 brakes I will be happy. I am very very pleased with how good they are.

 

So Tony, do you think the Brembo brake package on the 2011 would be worth going for, or would the stock brakes be good enough? I wasn't planning on driving mine on the track or anything. lol