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9/25/08, 06:36 AM
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My Bad! Thanks for the correction, KatarHol! It is still the best-looking engine ever put in a street-legal production Ford. The 'Cammer is a thing of beauty, and that manifold looks terrific on top of it! Only the 
FR500C magnesium manifold looks better, but Ford has not produced a street-legal version of the FR500C and I doubt if they ever will even though the emissions equipment from the Ford GT should clean up the exhaust of the FR500C just fine.
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FR500C magnesium manifold looks better, but Ford has not produced a street-legal version of the FR500C and I doubt if they ever will even though the emissions equipment from the Ford GT should clean up the exhaust of the FR500C just fine.Greg "Eights" Ates
9/25/08, 07:21 AM
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I remember reading how the 5.4 in the Shelby is not anywhere near its potential for a street legal/production vehicle.
It's basically software horsepower to be able to turn up the volume.
I have no doubt we'll see it pumping up the volume over the next little while.
Unless something better comes out
It's basically software horsepower to be able to turn up the volume.
I have no doubt we'll see it pumping up the volume over the next little while.
Unless something better comes out
HemiDude, you MUST beg, borrow, buy, or steal this magazine: 2005-'08 Mustang Performance by the editors of MM&FF magazine! There are amazing Mustang tales therein--which gives credence to your statement in the Dodge Challenger thread that these ARE the Glory Days. See the regular Mustang modification story in The Official Mustang Thread. This posting is how to bump your GT500 to 627 RWHP and 616 RWTQ with the stock supercharger and the stock exhaust manifold in a day of wrenchin' once you've got the parts laid out on the garage floor. If it's true that drivelines lose fifteen percent of an engine's power by the time that power reaches the rear wheels, this GT500's engine was crankin' out 721 HP and 708 pounds feet of torque. But that's if you believe that loss percentage...does it matter?
The article is "Shelby University" beginning on page 68. The GT500 that the editors modified already had an upgraded suspension, 3.73:1 gearing, and a recalibration to match the gearing. Chassis dyno testing showed a very square 437 RWHP and 437 RWTQ on the stock engine.
A recalibration alone bumped the conservatively-tuned GT500's engine up to 453 RWHP and 439 RWTQ.
A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.L.Y, swapping to a C&L Performance CAI kit and recalibrating thereafter pumped these figures up to 520 RWHP and 490 RWTQ. I know whose CAI kit I want on any vehicle of mine!! The high-flowing C&L kit allowed boost to rise to 9.6 pounds without touching the supercharger!
Next, the 3.0" stock blower pulley was pulled and a Metco 2.6" upper pulley and compensating idler pulley were added, the stock heat exchanger was replaced with a larger unit, high-boost spark plugs replaced the stockers, and another recalibration followed. These parts produced 552 RWHP and 544 RWTQ.
At this point, the stock GT500 mufflers were replaced with Corsa Touring mufflers with 4" Pro-Series tips and yet another recalibration was performed. That got the GT500 to 557 RWHP and 554 RWTQ. With the further reduction in backpressure and the faster blower pulley, boost had risen to 13.0 pounds.
Topping it all off, an Innovators West 4-pound bottom pulley (smaller than the stock 7"-diameter bottom pulley) replaced the stock bottom pulley and a 160mm monobody throttle body replaced the dual 60mm stock unit before the final recalibration. Boost was now 15.7 pounds yielding 627 RWHP and 616 RWTQ--on the stock blower, the stock manifold, and the stock exhaust upstream of the mufflers. Nothing had to be welded or fabricated, and the work was completed in one day (if you ain't got the tools and the know-how, this may take longer...).
These simple mods added 190 RWHP (more than many cars have total!) and 179 RWTQ without lifting the engine out of the car! This was too easy--there oughta be a law...
The article is "Shelby University" beginning on page 68. The GT500 that the editors modified already had an upgraded suspension, 3.73:1 gearing, and a recalibration to match the gearing. Chassis dyno testing showed a very square 437 RWHP and 437 RWTQ on the stock engine.
A recalibration alone bumped the conservatively-tuned GT500's engine up to 453 RWHP and 439 RWTQ.
A.M.A.Z.I.N.G.L.Y, swapping to a C&L Performance CAI kit and recalibrating thereafter pumped these figures up to 520 RWHP and 490 RWTQ. I know whose CAI kit I want on any vehicle of mine!! The high-flowing C&L kit allowed boost to rise to 9.6 pounds without touching the supercharger!
Next, the 3.0" stock blower pulley was pulled and a Metco 2.6" upper pulley and compensating idler pulley were added, the stock heat exchanger was replaced with a larger unit, high-boost spark plugs replaced the stockers, and another recalibration followed. These parts produced 552 RWHP and 544 RWTQ.
At this point, the stock GT500 mufflers were replaced with Corsa Touring mufflers with 4" Pro-Series tips and yet another recalibration was performed. That got the GT500 to 557 RWHP and 554 RWTQ. With the further reduction in backpressure and the faster blower pulley, boost had risen to 13.0 pounds.
Topping it all off, an Innovators West 4-pound bottom pulley (smaller than the stock 7"-diameter bottom pulley) replaced the stock bottom pulley and a 160mm monobody throttle body replaced the dual 60mm stock unit before the final recalibration. Boost was now 15.7 pounds yielding 627 RWHP and 616 RWTQ--on the stock blower, the stock manifold, and the stock exhaust upstream of the mufflers. Nothing had to be welded or fabricated, and the work was completed in one day (if you ain't got the tools and the know-how, this may take longer...).
These simple mods added 190 RWHP (more than many cars have total!) and 179 RWTQ without lifting the engine out of the car! This was too easy--there oughta be a law...
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9/25/08, 08:29 AM
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That's pretty impressive.
Not saying it'll handle the Ford Reliabilty mileage though.
Internally the engine is already certified for a number north of where it stands right now
Not saying it'll handle the Ford Reliabilty mileage though.
Internally the engine is already certified for a number north of where it stands right now
9/25/08, 08:48 AM
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9/25/08, 09:51 AM
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Needs to be more Astony
I don't think the GT500 needs more hp stock not that i would argue with more. But, I would prefer they work on weight reduction, don't touch the power train, add things like aluminum or CGI engine block. hopefully they redesigned the chassis lighter. high tensil steel doors or somthing.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
9/26/08, 07:15 AM
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I don't think the GT500 needs more hp stock not that i would argue with more. But, I would prefer they work on weight reduction, don't touch the power train, add things like aluminum or CGI engine block. hopefully they redesigned the chassis lighter. high tensil steel doors or somthing.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
9/26/08, 07:33 AM
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9/26/08, 08:57 AM
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Yes they are close in price, but the GT500 is more practical. It hauls more, doesnt sit as low to the ground(better visibility) and doesnt scream ***** envy as loud. Not only that, but its a special edition, not everyone has one like it. I would rather have a GT over a GT500 anyways. It only takes roughly $7500 on top of an initial investment of mid-twenties to be competitive with a base vette. Notice I didn't say it would beat it.
9/26/08, 04:33 PM
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I took these yesterday, Like I said before... Pretty cool to see in person. Sounds nice too. Next time I am taking my camcorder and get the first video posted 
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9/26/08, 06:54 PM
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Good job, I look forward to your video!You can REALLY see the hip now too! Awesome
9/26/08, 08:18 PM
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It looks like the character line that runs through the door handles into the front fenders is angled quite drastically, rather than straight like the current Mustang's.
9/26/08, 09:10 PM
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Those hips look much more substantial than what we've seen. I wonder if it has just been the camo doing its job or if the new GT-500 really does have more aggressive hips than those of the new GT or V6.
9/26/08, 09:24 PM
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The GT500 doesn't necessarily need more power...
I agree, The GT500 doesn't necessarily need more power, not that more power wouldn't be a good thing. On the other hand I think the GT500 doesn't necessarily need less weight, not that less weight wouldn't be a really good thing, but more than more-power and less-weight the GT500 really needs better traction, MORE TRACTION.
When the lack of traction problem is taken care of the weight and power issues could be addressed. I think better traction would make both the power and weight levels seem like much smaller issues...
If you can't get any traction, when your tires are spinning it really doesn't matter how much power you have, or how heavy you are.
When the lack of traction problem is taken care of the weight and power issues could be addressed. I think better traction would make both the power and weight levels seem like much smaller issues...
If you can't get any traction, when your tires are spinning it really doesn't matter how much power you have, or how heavy you are.
I don't think the GT500 needs more hp stock not that i would argue with more. But, I would prefer they work on weight reduction, don't touch the power train, add things like aluminum or CGI engine block. hopefully they redesigned the chassis lighter. high tensil steel doors or somthing.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
The Z06 does mid 11's with the same or less power based on dyno, then the GT500.
9/26/08, 09:27 PM
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I think its just the camo, cuz in the other GT500 pics the hips have looked just as subtle as in the GT. Cocheese just got a good angle IMO
9/27/08, 12:16 AM
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Yea, I spent days planning that angle. 
the way the sun was, it casts a shadow on the passenger side of the car which makes the hips stand out. I didn't even notice how much more they stand out till you guys brought it up
the way the sun was, it casts a shadow on the passenger side of the car which makes the hips stand out. I didn't even notice how much more they stand out till you guys brought it up
9/27/08, 02:00 AM
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cocheese you are a hero
I admit I was skeptical about the new GT500 nose, but it looks great here, and I love that buttocks, especially the spoiler. GREAT pics in their own right too.
Arin are happy
I admit I was skeptical about the new GT500 nose, but it looks great here, and I love that buttocks, especially the spoiler. GREAT pics in their own right too.
Arin are happy