11:1 Compression
12/28/09, 08:54 AM
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Fantastic! If I wanted a low compression motor, I'd buy an old tractor.
Sure, Ford could have sand bagged this motor with low compression and other power detractors, but they've already done the good stuff and you get a full warranty to boot.
Will you be able to boost power even more? Of course.
Will you be able to boost it as much as, say, a 4.6 or even old 5.0? Probably not because this new motor already closer to its peak potential right out of the box without having to spend gads of money to get where it already is now (and pitching your warranty card into the trash in the process).
I for one am quite pleased that Ford seems to finally be going the full mile with its Stang GT motor in terms of performance. This thing looks like a very serious performance motor at its very roots, much more so than the FWD luxo-barge roots of the Mod motors (and look how much power they managed to get out of them). I think 500hp, naturally aspirated, will be easily in reach of this beast and the inevitable twin turbo GT500 motor will be scary powerful.
Sure, Ford could have sand bagged this motor with low compression and other power detractors, but they've already done the good stuff and you get a full warranty to boot.
Will you be able to boost power even more? Of course.
Will you be able to boost it as much as, say, a 4.6 or even old 5.0? Probably not because this new motor already closer to its peak potential right out of the box without having to spend gads of money to get where it already is now (and pitching your warranty card into the trash in the process).
I for one am quite pleased that Ford seems to finally be going the full mile with its Stang GT motor in terms of performance. This thing looks like a very serious performance motor at its very roots, much more so than the FWD luxo-barge roots of the Mod motors (and look how much power they managed to get out of them). I think 500hp, naturally aspirated, will be easily in reach of this beast and the inevitable twin turbo GT500 motor will be scary powerful.
12/28/09, 11:12 AM
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12/28/09, 11:30 AM
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From what I've read, even the Ford engineers have said the bottom end has been overbuilt to provide a solid starting point for any significant mods...
Personally, I'm an N/A guy myself, so I like the CR as is...
Personally, I'm an N/A guy myself, so I like the CR as is...
12/28/09, 03:40 PM
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No. It has knock sensors, so does the GT500 which has 8.5:1 compression FOR BOOST. Piston oil squirters aren't going to do much to stave off high cylinder pressures caused by boost-unfriendly compression ratios. The act is old now boomer, there is no more NDA. 
We'll find out the motors limits as soon as people get their hands on them. It is not the Messiah motor that can handle 30 PSI. Physics still apply to this motor.
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12/28/09, 03:53 PM
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No. It has knock sensors, so does the GT500 which has 8.5:1 compression FOR BOOST. Piston oil squirters aren't going to do much to stave off high cylinder pressures caused by boost-unfriendly compression ratios. The act is old now boomer, there is no more NDA. We'll find out the motors limits as soon as people get their hands on them. It is not the Messiah motor that can handle 30 PSI. Physics still apply to this motor.
It's not just what it has, its how it uses them.
(oh and I'm not talking about just 1 engine either, coyote is nice and QUITE capable enough, but the whole design of the family, will extinct a condor)
12/28/09, 03:57 PM
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Condor is the GT500 dude, not the modular 5.4L it uses.
12/28/09, 03:58 PM
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No. It has knock sensors, so does the GT500 which has 8.5:1 compression FOR BOOST. Piston oil squirters aren't going to do much to stave off high cylinder pressures caused by boost-unfriendly compression ratios. The act is old now boomer, there is no more NDA. We'll find out the motors limits as soon as people get their hands on them. It is not the Messiah motor that can handle 30 PSI. Physics still apply to this motor.
Boomer's been right on pretty much everything; I don't know why you still insist on badgering him. There are things that Ford decided not to release, yet. Why would you expect Pete to out his sources just to please you?
12/28/09, 03:59 PM
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12/28/09, 04:01 PM
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No. It has knock sensors, so does the GT500 which has 8.5:1 compression FOR BOOST. Piston oil squirters aren't going to do much to stave off high cylinder pressures caused by boost-unfriendly compression ratios. The act is old now boomer, there is no more NDA. We'll find out the motors limits as soon as people get their hands on them. It is not the Messiah motor that can handle 30 PSI. Physics still apply to this motor.
enough with the GT500 comparisons already! sheesh.....
12/28/09, 04:03 PM
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MARZ I've not a new kid on the block. If Boomer knew specifics, he could state them with no "danger" to his source unless his source is the one SuPEr SEcrEt guy at Ford who is the ONLY ONE who knows anything which would unilaterally expose him if information was divulged. I've been on the Interwebz a long time and see this **** on every forum.
12/28/09, 04:05 PM
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MARZ I've not a new kid on the block. If Boomer knew specifics, he could state them with no "danger" to his source unless his source is the one SuPEr SEcrEt guy at Ford who is the ONLY ONE who knows anything which would unilaterally expose him if information was divulged. I've been on the Interwebz a long time and see this **** on every forum.
12/28/09, 04:06 PM
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12/28/09, 04:07 PM
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I threw a BS flag on 468HP bone stock. The "400HP Mustang GT" has been common knowledge throughout the Internet community, it was not "Boomer leaks". No one would get in trouble unless he NAMED the source. Hundreds of people at Ford know the details, it would be impossible to pinpoint the leak.
12/28/09, 04:08 PM
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It's a good engine to draw comparisons to when discussing BOOST, as the OP is. It's a 4V BOOSTED motor, can you name another engine to draw comparisons against?