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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by 1999 Black 35th GT@November 17, 2005, 12:17 PM
Must be a different source then. Because the National Auto Dealers Association (which is huge and goes from the consumer) rated safety as the most important buying factor for 2005. Last year though it was far from the top.
What I don't understand then is, if safety is most important buying factor - why are people buying imports? Everybody know that domestic vehicles act a lot better in accidents than imports. I remember last summer when my mom hit my dad' Intrepid with her Camry. There were few little scratches on Intrepid (still there, you can't even see it unless you're really near); Camry's door was damaged a lot more and started to rust not long after than. Then when my mom was in accident in Camry, Dodge Caravan had maybe less than $800 damage (front bumper and grille); Camry's "bill" was $5,000. Insurance covered it and car was fixed.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Red Star@November 17, 2005, 5:04 PM
What I don't understand then is, if safety is most important buying factor - why are people buying imports? Everybody know that domestic vehicles act a lot better in accidents than imports. I remember last summer when my mom hit my dad' Intrepid with her Camry. There were few little scratches on Intrepid (still there, you can't even see it unless you're really near); Camry's door was damaged a lot more and started to rust not long after than. Then when my mom was in accident in Camry, Dodge Caravan had maybe less than $800 damage (front bumper and grille); Camry's "bill" was $5,000. Insurance covered it and car was fixed.
Its because it takes people a long a while to change mentalities and learn about other products. Also, this just changed for this year and hopefully it remains a trend. I think safety should be the most important aspect. Can't put a price on life is the way I look at it.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by 1999 Black 35th GT@November 17, 2005, 4:42 PM
I think safety should be the most important aspect. Can't put a price on life is the way I look at it.
To me it is important, but not that important. To me its more important that I don't have to spend $$$ each month for repairs which was case with Escort and now intrepid (Intrepid just costed us $1,300 to get it fixed.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Red Star@November 17, 2005, 6:55 PM
To me it is important, but not that important. To me its more important that I don't have to spend $$$ each month for repairs which was case with Escort and now intrepid (Intrepid just costed us $1,300 to get it fixed.
Again, we are discussing new 2005-2006 MY cars, not preowned unknowns.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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I had a 96 4Runner that my wife drove. It was probably the worst car we ever had, and was far more expensive to fix then any domestic vehicle I've ever had.

Either way, a car can be fixed -- lives can't be replaced.

I think quality and safety should be equal in determining the worth of a car, however. Someone will get both parts right, and that will be th car to get.
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by 1999 Black 35th GT@November 15, 2005, 3:57 PM
Again I am not hating on anyone. I stated multiple car companies there for you. VW, GMC, Honda!

Don't like it? Then don't read it, don't comment. Its a Ford website not a Toyota site. Want to talk about Toyota's all day long? Theres a site out there for you somewhere, but its not here.



Last year Mark posted the JD Power overall ratings and it showed Lincoln right up there with Lexus and you sat there and argued for days how it was incorrect. Did you happen to notice who was right there with Lexus in the IQS study? JAGUAR!!! A Ford product!

Mark posted some info on car sales and so do I and what do you say?...
Nothing but negativity. You take everything as a personal attack on you. Its not!
i think its http://www.toyotasarelameandboringti...theyshould.org
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Red Star@November 17, 2005, 4:55 PM
To me it is important, but not that important. To me its more important that I don't have to spend $$$ each month for repairs which was case with Escort and now intrepid (Intrepid just costed us $1,300 to get it fixed.

oh yea and my parents 96 camry that had engine sieze at 90k with 3k oil changes toyota said tough luck and that it costs about 4k to replace the engine
this for the same oil sludge problem that affected i think model years 95-2003 due to the engine not producing enough heat

the recall was on 97+..not 96 ..SAME ENGINE
also TRY..i dare you to try and find a japanese company that openly issues recalls instead of hiding them to give retarded americans the illusions that they dont have problems

my grandmothers one of them her 91 camry doesnt work in the rain ..lol many people have tried to fix it.. my old 93 probe with 40k more on it is fine..hooptie..but fine.
she goes.. oh your getting a ford.. dont they break.. i said your car doesnt work in the rain and your sons 2 96 hondas all the iwndow and moonroof motors failed after 4 years lol


safe to say theyre next cars a fusion or 500 ..never had problems with our fords.

people with foreign cars are in such self denial when problems occur .. kind of liek they blame themselves before the car ..

ive seen people go buy a Japanese car cuz they said theyre GM car kept getting flat tires.....5 times in 1 year to be exact....each one had a big hiney nail in it
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by jcopin@November 26, 2005, 1:25 PM
oh yea and my parents 96 camry that had engine sieze at 90k with 3k oil changes toyota said tough luck and that it costs about 4k to replace the engine
this for the same oil sludge problem that affected i think model years 95-2003 due to the engine not producing enough heat

the recall was on 97+..not 96 ..SAME ENGINE
also TRY..i dare you to try and find a japanese company that openly issues recalls instead of hiding them to give retarded americans the illusions that they dont have problems

my grandmothers one of them her 91 camry doesnt work in the rain ..lol many people have tried to fix it.. my old 93 probe with 40k more on it is fine..hooptie..but fine.
she goes.. oh your getting a ford.. dont they break.. i said your car doesnt work in the rain and your sons 2 96 hondas all the iwndow and moonroof motors failed after 4 years lol
safe to say theyre next cars a fusion or 500 ..never had problems with our fords.

people with foreign cars are in such self denial when problems occur .. kind of liek they blame themselves before the car ..

ive seen people go buy a Japanese car cuz they said theyre GM car kept getting flat tires.....5 times in 1 year to be exact....each one had a big hiney nail in it
I had 2 Ford sedans (91 Taurus, 92 Escort) and 1 Dodge sedan (97 Intrepid-still have) before buying Toyota (94 Camry) and for the first time since moving to the USA - our family sedan doesn't give us any trouble even though it have more miles than any of previous cars (Taurus 125,000, Escort 100,000, Intrepid 90,000-Camry currently at 130,000 miles). Escort was at mechanic pretty much every month, monthly payment for Mustang was cheaper than Escorts repairs bills. I couldn't get Taurus street legal because nothing was working correctly on him. Intrepid is worst of them, I'm never buying 4-cyl or V6 Dodge ever again.
Again, there are reasons why domestic companies are losing to imports on their own home court. There are reasons why imports sells more cars even though they don't have rebates, discounts and so on (how do you think Big 3 would do this year if they didn't offer employees discount?). There are reasons why GM won't even exist in few years (too bad, because I really liked 2007 Tahoe/Suburban). Chrysler will survive because of Daimler, they're the only one domestic company that is making $$$ this year. Both Ford and GM made big mistake back in 1980 when neither one of them wanted to go into business with Toyota. That's gonna cost them a lot (especially GM).
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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if GM ever closes shop the economy is going to suffer hard..the government wont let that happen
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