My (Somewhat) Unique OEM Nav Install
6/10/14, 03:50 PM
#23
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Also, I know there is a problem with putting in the older nav into an 05-06 car, as there would be a speed error that always pops up. The cluster couldn't communicate speed to the ACM, so when there was a loss of signal, the arrow on the map would stop moving. But once GPS signal was regained, it would update.
Someone tried putting in an 07-09 cluster, but this didn't solve the problem. Not sure why.
But I am stumped as to why your nav doesn't work at all.
Someone tried putting in an 07-09 cluster, but this didn't solve the problem. Not sure why.
But I am stumped as to why your nav doesn't work at all.
6/10/14, 09:06 PM
#24
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Friedman, have you tried to hook up the wiring to #14 on the J1 plug? It is the VSS equivilent on these cars. There is also a place, in the PCM to run a wire across the two ports, this giving your car a signal for VSS. I don't know why you have to do this, but I've had 2 guys say they have to do just that. One was done by a radio company in So. Florida, and the other was done by the owner himself. Both say that by doing the wire in the PCM, cured the no vSS signal. I think I posted it in the earlier section of my audio controls write up. If not, PM me and I will try and email it to you. Bill
6/10/14, 10:32 PM
#25
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I'm looking at the connector views for a 2012 (should be same for 2010). I am assuming that the plugs for the Mustang will be the same as for the F350 - big assumption on my part. I make this connection because the 2010 up Mustang nav pretty much functions and has the same screens as the ones found in the Edge and the trucks. I need to get the diagrams for the F350 to make sure, though.
Here goes:
2005 Mustang:
C290a
1 - not used
2 - not used
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - not used
6 - not used
7 - not used
8 - not used
9 - not used
10 - not used
11 - not used
12 - not used
13 - not used
14 - not used
15 - medium speed CAN +
16 - medium speed CAN -
C290b
1 - subwoofer high +
2 - subwoofer high -
3 - shield
4 - subwoofer high mute
5 - subwoofer low +
6 - subwoofer low -
7 - shield
8 - subwoofer low mute
C290d
1 - voltage supplied at all times
2 - voltage in run or accessory
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - not used
6 - not used
7 - not used
8 - speaker left front +
9 - speaker left rear +
10 - speaker right rear +
11 - speaker right front +
12 - speaker right front -
13 - audio ground
14 - not used
15 - voltage supplied in start
16 - not used
17 - not used
18 - not used
19 - not used
20 - not used
21 - speaker left front -
22 - speaker left rear -
23 - speaker right rear -
24 - not used
Here goes:
2005 Mustang:
C290a
1 - not used
2 - not used
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - not used
6 - not used
7 - not used
8 - not used
9 - not used
10 - not used
11 - not used
12 - not used
13 - not used
14 - not used
15 - medium speed CAN +
16 - medium speed CAN -
C290b
1 - subwoofer high +
2 - subwoofer high -
3 - shield
4 - subwoofer high mute
5 - subwoofer low +
6 - subwoofer low -
7 - shield
8 - subwoofer low mute
C290d
1 - voltage supplied at all times
2 - voltage in run or accessory
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - not used
6 - not used
7 - not used
8 - speaker left front +
9 - speaker left rear +
10 - speaker right rear +
11 - speaker right front +
12 - speaker right front -
13 - audio ground
14 - not used
15 - voltage supplied in start
16 - not used
17 - not used
18 - not used
19 - not used
20 - not used
21 - speaker left front -
22 - speaker left rear -
23 - speaker right rear -
24 - not used
6/10/14, 10:55 PM
#26
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Mustang 2012
C290a
1 - switch stereo in left + (Sync)
2 - switch stereo in left - (Sync)
3 - not used
4 - nav audio out (Sync)
5 - nav audio out (Sync)
6 - jack audio aux in right + (no Sync)
7 - jack audio aux in left + (no Sync)
8 - jack audio aux in left - (no Sync)
9 - switch stereo in right + (Sync)
10 - switch stereo in right - (Sync)
11 - nav microphone out
12 - nav microphone out (no Sync)
13 - not used
14 - jack audio aux in right - (no Sync)
15 - medium speed CAN
16 - medium speed CAN -
C290b
1 - subwoofer high +
2 - subwoofer high -
3 - shield
4 - subwoofer high mute
5 - subwoofer low +
6 - subwoofer low -
7 - shield
8 - subwoofer low mute
C290c
1 - not used
2 - not used
3 - DVD video +
4 - display enable
5 - display tx
6 - not used
7 - shield
8 - DVD video -
9 - not used
10 - display rx
C290d
1 - voltage supplied at all times
2 - not used
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - antenna power rear window
6 - not used
7 - audio enable 1 (nav)
8 - audio radio left (nav)
8 - speaker left front door woofer
9 - radio left rear + (nav)
9 - speaker left rear
10 - radio right rear + (nav)
10 - speaker right rear
11 - radio right (nav)
11 - speaker right front door woofer
12 - speaker right front door woofer
12 - radio right (nav)
13 - audio ground (nav)
14 - not used
15 - voltage supplied in start
16 - switch redundant audio 2 SWC2 - (nav)
17 - switch redundant audio 2 SWC2 + (nav)
18 - switch redundant audio 1 SWC1 +
19 - switch redundant audio 1 SWC1 -
20 - not used
21 - speaker left front door woofer
21 - radio left (nav)
22 - radio left rear (nav)
22 - speaker left rear
23 - radio right rear (nav)
23 - speaker right rear
24 - radio left (nav)
C290a
1 - switch stereo in left + (Sync)
2 - switch stereo in left - (Sync)
3 - not used
4 - nav audio out (Sync)
5 - nav audio out (Sync)
6 - jack audio aux in right + (no Sync)
7 - jack audio aux in left + (no Sync)
8 - jack audio aux in left - (no Sync)
9 - switch stereo in right + (Sync)
10 - switch stereo in right - (Sync)
11 - nav microphone out
12 - nav microphone out (no Sync)
13 - not used
14 - jack audio aux in right - (no Sync)
15 - medium speed CAN
16 - medium speed CAN -
C290b
1 - subwoofer high +
2 - subwoofer high -
3 - shield
4 - subwoofer high mute
5 - subwoofer low +
6 - subwoofer low -
7 - shield
8 - subwoofer low mute
C290c
1 - not used
2 - not used
3 - DVD video +
4 - display enable
5 - display tx
6 - not used
7 - shield
8 - DVD video -
9 - not used
10 - display rx
C290d
1 - voltage supplied at all times
2 - not used
3 - not used
4 - not used
5 - antenna power rear window
6 - not used
7 - audio enable 1 (nav)
8 - audio radio left (nav)
8 - speaker left front door woofer
9 - radio left rear + (nav)
9 - speaker left rear
10 - radio right rear + (nav)
10 - speaker right rear
11 - radio right (nav)
11 - speaker right front door woofer
12 - speaker right front door woofer
12 - radio right (nav)
13 - audio ground (nav)
14 - not used
15 - voltage supplied in start
16 - switch redundant audio 2 SWC2 - (nav)
17 - switch redundant audio 2 SWC2 + (nav)
18 - switch redundant audio 1 SWC1 +
19 - switch redundant audio 1 SWC1 -
20 - not used
21 - speaker left front door woofer
21 - radio left (nav)
22 - radio left rear (nav)
22 - speaker left rear
23 - radio right rear (nav)
23 - speaker right rear
24 - radio left (nav)
Last edited by jim010; 6/21/14 at 10:23 AM.
6/10/14, 10:56 PM
#27
Legacy TMS Member
Alot of missing wires in the 2005 ...
There are also the antenna and GPS plugs as well. There is a third, but I don't remember what it is for.
There are also the antenna and GPS plugs as well. There is a third, but I don't remember what it is for.
Last edited by jim010; 6/10/14 at 10:58 PM.
6/11/14, 02:18 AM
#28
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Jim. Since you could come up with all the wires and where they go, try it on an 08 Taurus or the Taurus X and see how those compare to the Mustang, if you would. I'd be curious to see what is what and where all the wires went in the first place, as the 08 has all these wires in the harness plug that came with the radio, where our Mustangs only had a few of the wires. Interesting when you lay them side by side and compare them. Bill
Last edited by akdoggie; 6/11/14 at 02:28 AM.
6/11/14, 07:11 AM
#29
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
The GPS antenna seems to work (I got one from 4dTech). When I go into the unit's self-diagnostics, it responds to the car moving, and it picks up GPS time. The issue is that the map doesn't seem to update. According to Brad, the map only looks to update it self when it knows the car is moving.
I don't have a VCM II.
Also, I know there is a problem with putting in the older nav into an 05-06 car, as there would be a speed error that always pops up. The cluster couldn't communicate speed to the ACM, so when there was a loss of signal, the arrow on the map would stop moving. But once GPS signal was regained, it would update.
Someone tried putting in an 07-09 cluster, but this didn't solve the problem. Not sure why.
But I am stumped as to why your nav doesn't work at all.
Someone tried putting in an 07-09 cluster, but this didn't solve the problem. Not sure why.
But I am stumped as to why your nav doesn't work at all.
6/11/14, 07:14 AM
#30
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
Friedman, have you tried to hook up the wiring to #14 on the J1 plug? It is the VSS equivilent on these cars. There is also a place, in the PCM to run a wire across the two ports, this giving your car a signal for VSS. I don't know why you have to do this, but I've had 2 guys say they have to do just that. One was done by a radio company in So. Florida, and the other was done by the owner himself. Both say that by doing the wire in the PCM, cured the no vSS signal. I think I posted it in the earlier section of my audio controls write up. If not, PM me and I will try and email it to you. Bill
I have pin 14 hooked up to the nav unit (just straight from pin 14 that was already in the car).
I'm not sure what you mean with running a wire accross 2 ports of the PCM.
6/11/14, 07:20 AM
#31
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
If you're able to get the Sync harness designed for 09 mustangs, it seems that will solve most of the wiring issues. Sync works great for me (no voice control, but I'm hoping that's because I haven't hooked up the SWCs).
What I did was use that, in conjunction with a male and female J1 connector (big one), which I created my own harness out of.
It basically goes body harness -> custom harness -> sync harness -> nav unit.
My custom harness bridges most of the connections, except for pins 16-19 (Steering Wheel Controls), 7 (Amp Turn On), 8-12 (Some Speakers), 21-23 (More Speakers).
6/11/14, 08:41 AM
#32
Legacy TMS Member
Jim. Since you could come up with all the wires and where they go, try it on an 08 Taurus or the Taurus X and see how those compare to the Mustang, if you would. I'd be curious to see what is what and where all the wires went in the first place, as the 08 has all these wires in the harness plug that came with the radio, where our Mustangs only had a few of the wires. Interesting when you lay them side by side and compare them. Bill
When I have some time, I'll go by the dealer and see if they can get me the diagrams for an F350 and Taurus.
6/11/14, 08:55 AM
#33
Legacy TMS Member
Yeah, that requires disassembly of a much larger part of the dash, which I just wasn't prepared to do knowing that would not be the final solution.
6/11/14, 10:38 AM
#34
Mach 1 Member
Thread Starter
6/11/14, 07:33 PM
#35
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by Mustang30 View Post
Ok, so I finally installed the nav setup. Just a few problems though.
1. Navigation thinks I m in San Diego, and no gps signal
2. I have no control over the blower motor for the a/c, like its stuck on low
3. Navigation screen mounting tabs are way off
There is an extra brown plug for the radio, but it seems like there is nothing left to connect it to. Also there is an extra plug by the light switch.
PLEASE help if my wife comes home and she notices things don't work right, I'm dead!!!!
Ok, so I finally installed the nav setup. Just a few problems though.
1. Navigation thinks I m in San Diego, and no gps signal
2. I have no control over the blower motor for the a/c, like its stuck on low
3. Navigation screen mounting tabs are way off
There is an extra brown plug for the radio, but it seems like there is nothing left to connect it to. Also there is an extra plug by the light switch.
PLEASE help if my wife comes home and she notices things don't work right, I'm dead!!!!
Could you take a picture of your extra plug?
Did you install the GPS signal splitter?
The GPS splitter is why you are missing signal.
Below are the cables needed for the 2010 - 2014 Mustangs.
Last edited by jim010; 6/11/14 at 07:46 PM.
6/24/14, 11:05 AM
#37
Legacy TMS Member
No luck getting a hold of Cubican.
I am having an issue with my current 2012 nav, thought I'd post the issue here as it may be applicable:
I am having an issue with my current 2012 nav, thought I'd post the issue here as it may be applicable:
Sorry for the delay getting back to you; as usual, I’m just managing to keep my nose above the water line. I’m not quite sure what the issue with your Nav might be. There are 2 separate systems involved. The first is the compass. In the original installation, the compass sensor is part of the rear-view mirror. The calibration described in the forum is for this system only. The Nav system can’t give you the direction you’re pointed unless you are moving because it has to calculate the difference between 2 or more GPS fixes. I checked for TSBs and found nothing applicable. The antenna for the system is the same one as for satellite radio. There is a splitter module inline between the cable coming from the GPS/Satellite antenna that plugs into 2 separate connectors on the back of the Nav head unit (a pink one and a yellow one). See the attached diagram. I have had issues with all 3 components (antenna, cable and splitter module) on different vehicles that cause issues like you’re describing. The problem is that the only way to diagnose this issue is swapping parts. I have some antennas and cables that I have used for testing (didn’t fix the problem on particular vehicles), but I think they are all truck parts and the connector genders may be wrong. I could try re-flashing the Nav unit, but it’s not likely that the software is at issue after 2 years of normal operation.
6/25/14, 10:34 PM
#39
Legacy TMS Member
I have been playing with the 2013 cluster in my 05. Haven't looked at this yet. Nor have I heard from Cubican who said he got it to work with no issues. But he hasn't posted in quite some time.
6/26/14, 05:37 PM
#40
Legacy TMS Member
Cubican replied.
I sold the car about 4 years ago and i dont remember the how to on the navi, but there is a place in carlton tx called
omnicrone electronics 1325 Whitlock Ln,
Carrollton, TX 75006
(972) 446-8222
all they do is factory Ford radios they have all the amps and wire harness that you need to make it work. good luck.
omnicrone electronics 1325 Whitlock Ln,
Carrollton, TX 75006
(972) 446-8222
all they do is factory Ford radios they have all the amps and wire harness that you need to make it work. good luck.