Who said it was dead? Just as many or more mags talk about it this month then say its cancelled, and the rumors I hear are from some dude in a motor plant. BFD. Do you really think someone who works on the line knows what Fords future plans are? There is a reason they had to have a formal unvailing of the mustang to the vast majority of Ford employees that had no idea what it looked like, only a short while before we saw it.

 

The roof on that car in the pic looks like the CDC Glassback. Where did you run across that pic and how old is it?

 

there was thread on here saying that the Hurricane is no more: Hurricane

EDIT: This is the Rumor Mill.

 

LOL BON :bang: :bang:

"ford employees' lmao. Even refering to a media hack as being 'info', read the article about the GR1 in the Feb MT.

As for financial concerns, what is more expensive to make 500hp+: an exotic 5.4 with DOHC and a supercharger and dry-sump system to fit, or a 3V 7.0L N/A engine wih VVT and variable displacement that can share parts with every F-150/250/350/econoline/and expedition on regular gas? Not to mention Fords next gen V6 D35 VVT is already done. If they keep the 4.0, they can just do 3v heads as well.

 

Its more then a year old, even before the distorted Ford corporate unvailing event 'white car' pics(which were most likely puposely leaked) and WAY before the GTR. It is here on the site. I would say a year ago september-ish.

 

H&R Race springs and Bilsteins all the way around .... street tire 18's

 

Kevin, we are talking ORC, not AutoX. Don't get me wrong, the '05 handles very well, yet on this day it could not out perform my '99 IRS on a 2.5 mile 15 turn course on street tires ... Thus the original conversation about live axle vs IRS.
Maybe you can chalk it up to the driver .... If I would have been able to drive the '05, maybe, just maybe I could have put a lap or two on the IRS cars.
You must understand that this car ('05) had SVTOA drivers behind the wheel each time we went out in Group 4. This happened multiple times. These weren't ameture drivers.

Again, this is what I experienced real world. Just trying to give fellow enthusiasts some real world accountability. Again, the '05 handles VERY well on high speed twisties.

 

It really depends on the price of the car. I wouldn't buy a Cobra for 40K+ without an IRS. I would go to my Chevy dealer and purchase a C6. If the new Cobra costs roughly 35K and handles well, I would consider it. A 40K+ price opens up a few other sports cars that I would consider purchasing. SVT needs to open its eyes and see what other performance divisions are doing. GM recently built a road course that replicates the Nurburgring in order to tune and test suspensions. The only Ford car that I have seen/heard about that was track tested was the Ford GT. GM also ships cars directly to Germany a few times a year to do testing on the autobahn and at the Nurburing. Many of the german performance divisions have been doing this for many years.

 

The Mustangs were track tested, just about every car is. SVT knows exactly what they are doing. Its amazing what they were able to do with the ford Fairmont platform for what it was. The mustangs front suspension is a near identical copy of the M3's.

 

Kevin, the BON article referenced a Ward's Auto article, which has a little more credibility than BON. Otherwise I would ignored it myself. The story has also been reported by Detroit News:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0...7/A02-81538.htm

Like I said before, I hope you're right.

 

SVT is in a restructuring phase, so it isn't clear what their objectives are. I would like to see them more like AMG or BMW M. A Cobra without a IRS suspension(possibly optional), in my opinion isn't a total package. BMW's M division builds a car that turns, brakes, and accelerates. BMW also spends a lot of time track testing their cars to properly tune the suspension. Porsche engineers take a lot of time tuning their cars to get the right feel out of them. Even GM is doing this; for example the V series and C6.

 

If that were true, how come 99-03 Cobras have IRS? How come the 99-03 are very popular with the open track set?

I mean if high hp straight line performance is all you people care about, then save the money you would spend on a Cobra, keep the GT, and buy a superrcharger.
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GT with supercharger may only get 400hp and would not have the strong internals to handle high boost like the '03-'04 cobra could.Plus the new cobra will be on warranty.So she will get all that power and not have to mod the car.I will keep my Gt and do a few mods just cause I love this car and don't want to get rid of it,besides,I can always borrow her cobra when she gets it

 

I think the only thing for ford to do to please everybody is to have a IRS option or make it standard and do a IRS delete with price decrease.

 

Kevin, the BON article referenced a Ward's Auto article, which has a little more credibility than BON. Otherwise I would ignored it myself. The story has also been reported by Detroit News:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0...7/A02-81538.htm

Like I said before, I hope you're right.
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Hmmmm halted and dead are two different things. BON of course jumps on the extreme angle. One should always take BON's word like the NY Times or Dan Rather's on Bush reportings. The V10 easilly fits the Mustang too...

Did I actually see someone use the words AMG liken to SVT? Something tells me they havent visited a MB dealer lately to check what pricing on a MB is. In AMG's hp to $ ratio, that would make a mustang with 500hp and irs equate to over $100,000.00 by taking the 'AMG' approach. If the stang gets power headrests and NAV for that price, I would consider it an equal comparison. Adding 30-50K to a cars already way too expensive base price to make it go faster does not impress me. Anyone can make a fast car for over 70 thousand dollars. M division as well, the straight 6 with less then 400hp for 60 thousand, I sure as heck hope SVT does not go the "M" or "AMG" route. If the M3 was $42k loaded to the hilt I would be mildly impressed, it would still be a little underpowered for its price range. "Sir your world-class new SVT Mustang just as you ordered is only $1240 a month with your $5000 down, three copies sir, press hard......." Welcome to Earth.

 

This has the nice seats and performance package, with a lot of options left out. For 333hp??? It barely outruns a GT

 

Heres the cheapest AMG product with 400-ish horsepower(not quite actually). Only added the nice seats and 18" rims, left TONS out. Gotta love those payments with 7000 down WHAT A DEAL!

 

Agreed, I've been saying the same as have others on this board. The IRS needs to be included as standard equipment with the live axle as optional with an attending price decrease.

 

I was the one.....AMG is MB's performance division, like SVT is to Ford. I have been to an MB dealer and know the pricing, that wasn't my point. Obviously you have never driven any of the cars listed because honestly you wouldn't be making the above statements. Anyone cannot make a fast LUXURY car for 70K. My point was that SVT should focus on the total package, rather than just adding hp to make the car fast in a straight line.

 

The AMG is a nicer car hands down; I dont think anyone would argue that. You are comparing a Luxury car to a Muscle car. I don't think many MB owners will cross shop the Mustang and vice versa.

 

I was the one.....AMG is MB's performance division, like SVT is to Ford. I have been to an MB dealer and know the pricing, that wasn't my point. Obviously you have never driven any of the cars listed because honestly you wouldn't be making the above statements. Anyone cannot make a fast LUXURY car for 70K. My point was that SVT should focus on the total package, rather than just adding hp to make the car fast in a straight line.
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Why is that so hard? Any company that sells a luxury car for say 50,000 (and if you can't make a luxury car for 50,000 your charging too much) that means you have 20 grand to play with to meet your budget. I have to agree with Kevin, also that svt focus was a total package type car. The Mustang has never been a Luxury car and never will be so the enhancements made to the 05 will be performance based. The "total package" is a matter of opinion, if the car performes great and does so reliably, the rearend could be made of dowel rods super glued to plastic for all i care. People seem to be so caught up on the irs thing that they seem to automatically decree that the car stinks or is inferior without it, IRS may infact be a a better rear end that a solid axel but i know for a fact that (drop it an inch or so)the 05 gt hadles better that the current cobras with the irs. So I would rather ford make the best car possible with the budget they have to work with. I agree it should be an option if only to shut those people up.