HTT Calls IRS Fans 'Snobs'
#322
Originally posted by Robert@May 21, 2005, 3:46 PM
Yeah, that stuff is now out of date. Pick up the June issue of Road & Track - it has a little sidebar on the new Supra with a new digital rendering. It looks very much like some of the images we've seen on the web before (Aston Martin meets Shelby GR-1 meets 1967 Toyota GT2000) but they're now reporting RWD + V8 power. They're saying it's being designed to destroy the 350Z AND the G35 coupe in one fell swoop.
Yeah, that stuff is now out of date. Pick up the June issue of Road & Track - it has a little sidebar on the new Supra with a new digital rendering. It looks very much like some of the images we've seen on the web before (Aston Martin meets Shelby GR-1 meets 1967 Toyota GT2000) but they're now reporting RWD + V8 power. They're saying it's being designed to destroy the 350Z AND the G35 coupe in one fell swoop.
#323
Originally posted by TomServo92@May 22, 2005, 3:26 PM
I have serious reservations that Toyota can deliver a V8 powered Supra for under $30k. I would think it would be in the mid-to-high $30K range.
I have serious reservations that Toyota can deliver a V8 powered Supra for under $30k. I would think it would be in the mid-to-high $30K range.
#324
What I don't understand is why all the "IRS-parrotting snobs" keep saying that the IRS is modern technology, Shelby tested it for Ford back in '65 on the Shelby GT350's and even back then, it was not worth the extra benefits!!! And you know, Sebring still isn't a silky-smooth race track, 40 years later!!! If you gotta have an IRS, just go buy one, Mustang Parts Specialists have them in stock!!! On Ebay!!!!
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Originally posted by hiznherponies@May 22, 2005, 7:36 PM
What I don't understand is why...
What I don't understand is why...
Neither do I.
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#327
Originally posted by TomServo92@May 22, 2005, 3:26 PM
I have serious reservations that Toyota can deliver a V8 powered Supra for under $30k. I would think it would be in the mid-to-high $30K range.
I have serious reservations that Toyota can deliver a V8 powered Supra for under $30k. I would think it would be in the mid-to-high $30K range.
#328
Originally posted by Rampant@May 22, 2005, 6:40 PM
V6 Supra is supposed to be $30k range, with the V8 in the $40k range. Though, it is supposed to be pretty small. One of the reasons I like the Mustang is it's size and comfort -- the Japaneses will not make a comperable car in size (due to their culture and geography).
V6 Supra is supposed to be $30k range, with the V8 in the $40k range. Though, it is supposed to be pretty small. One of the reasons I like the Mustang is it's size and comfort -- the Japaneses will not make a comperable car in size (due to their culture and geography).
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#330
Originally posted by Robert@May 22, 2005, 2:51 PM
I expect it to be priced similarly to the Shelby, actually. It probably won't have as much raw hp, but knowing Toyota it will doubtless be more refined, offer more amenities, and provide greater handling prowess.
I expect it to be priced similarly to the Shelby, actually. It probably won't have as much raw hp, but knowing Toyota it will doubtless be more refined, offer more amenities, and provide greater handling prowess.
Yeah Robert, silly us. We only THOUGHT Shelby's handle better than Toyotas
jeez...
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Originally posted by Robert@May 23, 2005, 6:49 AM
...monkeys pull their goalies in front of visitors to the zoo?
...monkeys pull their goalies in front of visitors to the zoo?
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#332
Originally posted by hiznherponies@May 22, 2005, 5:36 PM
What I don't understand is why all the "IRS-parrotting snobs" keep saying that the IRS is modern technology, Shelby tested it for Ford back in '65 on the Shelby GT350's and even back then, it was not worth the extra benefits!!! And you know, Sebring still isn't a silky-smooth race track, 40 years later!!! If you gotta have an IRS, just go buy one, Mustang Parts Specialists have them in stock!!! On Ebay!!!!
What I don't understand is why all the "IRS-parrotting snobs" keep saying that the IRS is modern technology, Shelby tested it for Ford back in '65 on the Shelby GT350's and even back then, it was not worth the extra benefits!!! And you know, Sebring still isn't a silky-smooth race track, 40 years later!!! If you gotta have an IRS, just go buy one, Mustang Parts Specialists have them in stock!!! On Ebay!!!!
The real reason why the GT-350s didn't have IRS was that the SCCA told Shelby & Ford that if they put IRS in the GT-350 they would move them up to the "A Production" racing class instead of the "B Production" class that they raced in.
"A Production" was a faster class that the 427 Cobras and Corvettes raced in and Ford didn't want the GT-350 racing against those cars.
If IRS isn't any better why to Indy Cars, Champ Cars, F1 cars, LeMans prototypes all use IRS? Nobody says they have to use IRS, they could run solid axles if they wanted too.
#333
Originally posted by V10@May 23, 2005, 6:58 PM
If IRS isn't any better why to Indy Cars, Champ Cars, F1 cars, LeMans prototypes all use IRS?
If IRS isn't any better why to Indy Cars, Champ Cars, F1 cars, LeMans prototypes all use IRS?
Now, where did I put my Confederate flag?
#334
Originally posted by V10@May 23, 2005, 6:58 PM
Then why did the Sheby Cobras (2 seat cars) and the Ford GT-40s from the 1960s have IRS? Couldn't they have saved a lot of $$ buy putting solid rear axles in those cars?
The real reason why the GT-350s didn't have IRS was that the SCCA told Shelby & Ford that if they put IRS in the GT-350 they would move them up to the "A Production" racing class instead of the "B Production" class that they raced in.
"A Production" was a faster class that the 427 Cobras and Corvettes raced in and Ford didn't want the GT-350 racing against those cars.
If IRS isn't any better why to Indy Cars, Champ Cars, F1 cars, LeMans prototypes all use IRS? Nobody says they have to use IRS, they could run solid axles if they wanted too.
Then why did the Sheby Cobras (2 seat cars) and the Ford GT-40s from the 1960s have IRS? Couldn't they have saved a lot of $$ buy putting solid rear axles in those cars?
The real reason why the GT-350s didn't have IRS was that the SCCA told Shelby & Ford that if they put IRS in the GT-350 they would move them up to the "A Production" racing class instead of the "B Production" class that they raced in.
"A Production" was a faster class that the 427 Cobras and Corvettes raced in and Ford didn't want the GT-350 racing against those cars.
If IRS isn't any better why to Indy Cars, Champ Cars, F1 cars, LeMans prototypes all use IRS? Nobody says they have to use IRS, they could run solid axles if they wanted too.
Oh and I tried to look this up to confirm it, I'll have to dig thru my library to find the reference again but I'm pretty sure that the GT-350's raced A-production and the few coupes that he built (i.e. the Teralingua coupes) raced B-production with the only difference bieng 2- or 4-seat, hence the fastbacks being the 2-seaters (rear seat delete). 'Course, I could be wrong, I am a redneck!!!!
#335
John, I wouldn't waste your breath in here with the "snobs", as HTT calls them. They continue to say IRS is better, which I don't think many people have disagreed with them on, most are saying its not worth what comes along with the IRS over the SRA in this application.
I think they're so afraid that a SRA might actually perform well, that they just ignore the obvious - Wait till it comes out, Then see how it performs, Then you can critisize the SRA if it does not perform well, its a pretty basic idea to grasp. I just don't understand all this whinning b4 the car is even out and we see how it performs.
I think they're so afraid that a SRA might actually perform well, that they just ignore the obvious - Wait till it comes out, Then see how it performs, Then you can critisize the SRA if it does not perform well, its a pretty basic idea to grasp. I just don't understand all this whinning b4 the car is even out and we see how it performs.
#336
Originally posted by hiznherponies@May 25, 2005, 5:37 AM
Oh and I tried to look this up to confirm it, I'll have to dig thru my library to find the reference again but I'm pretty sure that the GT-350's raced A-production and the few coupes that he built (i.e. the Teralingua coupes) raced B-production with the only difference bieng 2- or 4-seat, hence the fastbacks being the 2-seaters (rear seat delete). 'Course, I could be wrong, I am a redneck!!!!
Oh and I tried to look this up to confirm it, I'll have to dig thru my library to find the reference again but I'm pretty sure that the GT-350's raced A-production and the few coupes that he built (i.e. the Teralingua coupes) raced B-production with the only difference bieng 2- or 4-seat, hence the fastbacks being the 2-seaters (rear seat delete). 'Course, I could be wrong, I am a redneck!!!!
There is a photo of a 1965 GT-350 on a racetrack complete with its "BP" sticker on it.
Inside the guide is chapter 9, devoted to the GT-350 competition version:
The most famous GT-350 was the first one, SFM5R001 ........ Driven by veteran Jerry Titus, it became the Southern Pacific SCCA Champion and, ultimately, the B Production National Champion for 1965
#337
Originally posted by hiznherponies@May 25, 2005, 5:37 AM
Last things first, Have you ever tried to engineer a mid-engined car with a SRA? Not impossible, but a lot less effective than a nice transaxle which are readily available.
Last things first, Have you ever tried to engineer a mid-engined car with a SRA? Not impossible, but a lot less effective than a nice transaxle which are readily available.
#338
This argument always makes me laugh. The new car has to be powerful (which it is) and reliable (anyone with a '04, '05 cobra would laugh at that) Last years IRS was a joke, and even guys that dont drag race are ditching that peice of crap IRS. Wheel hop, breaking shafts, warranty nightmare.....the list goes on. My buddy busted his snagging second when it was totally unmodified. Bone stock cobra couldent hold up to its own power. What are we supposed to do, just granny it through third? Waste of a sportscar.
Remember, this car is no corvette, and I dont want it to be. It is pure muscle, and that is it's basic design. It is supposed to be rough around the edges. That is why I always loved mustangs, not because they ride like a cadillac, because they have a slight feel of their older brothers from the 60's. If mustangs felt like a mercedes, I would get bored with it quick. I say keep the SRA, and IF ford figures out how to make a decent IRS, offer it as an upgrade from ford racing for those that *think* they are good enough drivers to notice the difference in handling, because I can tell you, unless you are on a road track, you will never notice it. And as for the previous attempt at IRS in a mustang, I dont think it rides any better than the GT.
Remember, this car is no corvette, and I dont want it to be. It is pure muscle, and that is it's basic design. It is supposed to be rough around the edges. That is why I always loved mustangs, not because they ride like a cadillac, because they have a slight feel of their older brothers from the 60's. If mustangs felt like a mercedes, I would get bored with it quick. I say keep the SRA, and IF ford figures out how to make a decent IRS, offer it as an upgrade from ford racing for those that *think* they are good enough drivers to notice the difference in handling, because I can tell you, unless you are on a road track, you will never notice it. And as for the previous attempt at IRS in a mustang, I dont think it rides any better than the GT.
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Those who have had the opportunity to experience IRS and SRA know there is a difference as opposed to those who haven't and still offer their opinions as facts.
#340
Originally posted by 1 BULLITT@May 25, 2005, 8:33 PM
Those who have the opportunity to experiences IRS and SRA know there is a difference as opposed to those who haven't and still offer their opinions as facts.
Those who have the opportunity to experiences IRS and SRA know there is a difference as opposed to those who haven't and still offer their opinions as facts.
his argument always makes me laugh. The new car has to be powerful (which it is) and reliable (anyone with a '04, '05 cobra would laugh at that) Last years IRS was a joke, and even guys that dont drag race are ditching that peice of crap IRS. Wheel hop, breaking shafts, warranty nightmare.....the list goes on. My buddy busted his snagging second when it was totally unmodified. Bone stock cobra couldent hold up to its own power. What are we supposed to do, just granny it through third? Waste of a sportscar.
Remember, this car is no corvette, and I dont want it to be. It is pure muscle, and that is it's basic design. It is supposed to be rough around the edges. That is why I always loved mustangs, not because they ride like a cadillac, because they have a slight feel of their older brothers from the 60's. If mustangs felt like a mercedes, I would get bored with it quick. I say keep the SRA, and IF ford figures out how to make a decent IRS, offer it as an upgrade from ford racing for those that *think* they are good enough drivers to notice the difference in handling, because I can tell you, unless you are on a road track, you will never notice it. And as for the previous attempt at IRS in a mustang, I dont think it rides any better than the GT.
Remember, this car is no corvette, and I dont want it to be. It is pure muscle, and that is it's basic design. It is supposed to be rough around the edges. That is why I always loved mustangs, not because they ride like a cadillac, because they have a slight feel of their older brothers from the 60's. If mustangs felt like a mercedes, I would get bored with it quick. I say keep the SRA, and IF ford figures out how to make a decent IRS, offer it as an upgrade from ford racing for those that *think* they are good enough drivers to notice the difference in handling, because I can tell you, unless you are on a road track, you will never notice it. And as for the previous attempt at IRS in a mustang, I dont think it rides any better than the GT.
So there.