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Old 6/24/08, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by newdy22
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Yeah...I don't even have this issue and I couldn't agree more. Sounds like something Ford needs to fix to me. Take you problem back to the dealer first. That's what warranties are for.
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Old 6/24/08, 07:24 PM
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This issue would be covered under the 6 year / 60K right?
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Originally Posted by randy_tho
This issue would be covered under the 6 year / 60K right?
yeah it shoud be covered by the powertrain warranty.
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I picked up my 08 Bullitt yesterday from having the synchros replaced per TSB 08-9-6. I had 1,876 miles on it when I brought it in for repair. I had the trans serviced because I was experiencing an awful 2-3 grind or "clash" when the trans was cold. The trans always sounded a little noisy, even when brand new. I could hear the gears while driving. The sound was subtle, but it was there.

The repair was supposed to be a 6.5 hour job but the car was there for 8 days. Why 8 days? I was informed that a shear pin was broken during removal of the trans and obtaining it was difficult because the first two kits were missing a bolt (different service writer), and finally the 3rd kit had the part required bolt to repair the problem.

The dealership was really good about taking car of the car. They even made a note to keep the car indoors on the service write up.

I picked up the car and the clutch engaged much more quickly than it did when I dropped the car off. I figured it just need to be adjusted and I will come back next week to tell the service writer. But after driving it for an hour I noticed the clutch was back to its old self again, engaging where it had been when I dropped the car off. I was happy about that. The trans shifts like butter now. Really smooth. The trans is quiet, I can't hear any noise or sounds coming from it. No more grinding. I could not be happier with it.
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hmm hopefully my 09 CS wont have this problem when i pick it up in September... ill be switching to synthetic fluid right away and a better shifter. any suggestions on brand of fluid?
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I spoke to the dealer about using Royal Purple because I wanted synthetic installed when the repair was complete. The service writer said the trans already has synthetic in it and it will be replaced with synthetic. If I want Royal Purple installed then any problems that occur are my responsibility. I'm not sure how much truth there is to his statements but the trans shifts perfectly with Motorcraft fluid.

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I had this work done on my car and I had the dealership put royal purple in vs the motorcraft and I did not get the line of BS that your guy is giving you, they still have to warranty it even if you put RP in it.
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Originally Posted by newdy22
I picked up my 08 Bullitt yesterday from having the synchros replaced per TSB 08-9-6. I had 1,876 miles on it when I brought it in for repair. I had the trans serviced because I was experiencing an awful 2-3 grind or "clash" when the trans was cold. The trans always sounded a little noisy, even when brand new. I could hear the gears while driving. The sound was subtle, but it was there.

The repair was supposed to be a 6.5 hour job but the car was there for 8 days. Why 8 days? I was informed that a shear pin was broken during removal of the trans and obtaining it was difficult because the first two kits were missing a bolt (different service writer), and finally the 3rd kit had the part required bolt to repair the problem.

The dealership was really good about taking car of the car. They even made a note to keep the car indoors on the service write up.

I picked up the car and the clutch engaged much more quickly than it did when I dropped the car off. I figured it just need to be adjusted and I will come back next week to tell the service writer. But after driving it for an hour I noticed the clutch was back to its old self again, engaging where it had been when I dropped the car off. I was happy about that. The trans shifts like butter now. Really smooth. The trans is quiet, I can't hear any noise or sounds coming from it. No more grinding. I could not be happier with it.
Update:

TSB repair did not fix the problem. I drove it yesterday morning when the weather dipped into the 60's at night. The trans still grinds when going from 2-3 shifts when it's cooler.
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Thats NOT what I wanted to hear I've been waiting for the weather to cool down so that I could show the tech that there is definite noise...(not really grinding though). It seems that I have to "convince" my service department there is a problem, even with a TSB shoved in their face Keep us updated on what happens next and best of luck
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Originally Posted by newdy22
Update:

TSB repair did not fix the problem. I drove it yesterday morning when the weather dipped into the 60's at night. The trans still grinds when going from 2-3 shifts when it's cooler.

Gah! Not good news indeed! (uneasily eyes a six speed kit....)
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I've been having problems going into 1st gear lately. Has anyone had an issue there?

As i'm coming up to a red light or stop sign, clutch to the floor, I shift into first as I roll up to my stop at about 5-10 mph, all while keeping the clutch down. Never had a problem until the past few weeks and now I either get some resistance, a grind that makes you pull your hand off the shifter, or it will go in but you feel a minor grind that just bumps before engaging.

I can't blame temp on this one since it's in the 80's and can happen at startup or after an hour of driving.

I have had a grind a few times going into third but usually think it's just me. The first gear problem is new and was wondering if it could be related before I make a trip to the dealer.

Mileage is 4,600
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Originally Posted by denlem
I've been having problems going into 1st gear lately. Has anyone had an issue there?

As i'm coming up to a red light or stop sign, clutch to the floor, I shift into first as I roll up to my stop at about 5-10 mph, all while keeping the clutch down. Never had a problem until the past few weeks and now I either get some resistance, a grind that makes you pull your hand off the shifter, or it will go in but you feel a minor grind that just bumps before engaging.

I can't blame temp on this one since it's in the 80's and can happen at startup or after an hour of driving.

I have had a grind a few times going into third but usually think it's just me. The first gear problem is new and was wondering if it could be related before I make a trip to the dealer.

Mileage is 4,600
Are you rev-matching when you're going 10mph and shifting into 1st? I have the same resistance if I don't rev-match properly, but when I blip the throttle just right and pull the shifter into 1st at the right time, it slides right in.

I think I read somewhere that 1st gear either doesn't have synchros or has less robust ones, so you have to really rev match well to get it to go in right.
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Originally Posted by denlem
I've been having problems going into 1st gear lately. Has anyone had an issue there?

As i'm coming up to a red light or stop sign, clutch to the floor, I shift into first as I roll up to my stop at about 5-10 mph, all while keeping the clutch down. Never had a problem until the past few weeks and now I either get some resistance, a grind that makes you pull your hand off the shifter, or it will go in but you feel a minor grind that just bumps before engaging.

I can't blame temp on this one since it's in the 80's and can happen at startup or after an hour of driving.

I have had a grind a few times going into third but usually think it's just me. The first gear problem is new and was wondering if it could be related before I make a trip to the dealer.

Mileage is 4,600

I've always had resistance going into 1st with the clutch to the floor while coming to a stop. I make a point of stopping or being darn near stopped before putting it up into 1. When I first bought the car it flat out refused to go into 1 with the clutch pedal full to the floor at any speed over 20mph, between 10 and 20 it's just kinda ornery. krnpimpsta is right - the owner's manual says to be careful going into 1st. Not sure if it's exactly that reason, but it sounds right.

Just don't put it in 1st until you're at a stop -- works all the time for me.
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Originally Posted by Dixie_Flatline
I've always had resistance going into 1st with the clutch to the floor while coming to a stop. I make a point of stopping or being darn near stopped before putting it up into 1. When I first bought the car it flat out refused to go into 1 with the clutch pedal full to the floor at any speed over 20mph, between 10 and 20 it's just kinda ornery. krnpimpsta is right - the owner's manual says to be careful going into 1st. Not sure if it's exactly that reason, but it sounds right.

Just don't put it in 1st until you're at a stop -- works all the time for me.
The odd part is i've always been doing that without any problems until now. Sometimes I feel like the clutch is way too low and causing it. There have been a few times when 3rd is a total miss and I wonder if it was me or not. Plenty of warranty time left, so i'll just keep my eye on it and outta first until i'm stopped!
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Yes, the manual states something along the lines of not downshifting into first while driving higher than 15mph or clutch damage may occur. Also I've noticed it won't hardly let you.

Frankly, overall this transmission is moody. Mostly it's smooth as butter and shifts precisely. Other times it can be notchy / clunky. Overall I find it satisfactory except maybe the shifting lockout under heavy load issue which I understand the MGW coupled with a set of torque limiters will solve.
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Ok I am another one with the same problem, but with the 1-2 shift. Now my question is, it only does it when im basically banging the gears off redline at the racetrack....it has significantly slowed my times down because i have to pause in order for it not to grind and for it to go into gear. However I put an MGW shifter in my car(before i even noticed this problem), so I dont want to hear them blame it on the new shifter, also how do I explain to them that it only happens when im racing it?
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My plan is to trade it in for a Nismo 370Z or Infiniti G37 after the warranty is up. The problem is the Hencho en Mexico Tremec TR-3650. I've heard similar complaints about the notchy/stubborn shifting mannerisms of the TR-6060! I'm going to look for a German or Japanese gearbox in the future. Getrag or Aisin tend to make snappier gearboxes, or I can always go with a DSG or manumatic.
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I've been wanting to get an MGW shifter for a while now but haven't yet, figuring that the dealership will blame this problem on the new shifter, like you said. I don't think that I would tell them that you race your car....that would give them a great excuse for not covering it.
Have you tried the CHE brace with torque limiters or a more solid style motor mount?
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Originally Posted by GTMark052
I've been wanting to get an MGW shifter for a while now but haven't yet, figuring that the dealership will blame this problem on the new shifter, like you said. I don't think that I would tell them that you race your car....that would give them a great excuse for not covering it.
Have you tried the CHE brace with torque limiters or a more solid style motor mount?

What he's experiencing is probably torque binding, and wouldn't be affected (for better or wose) at all by the shifter -- under load the transmission moves and creates the binding issue. The binding is inside the transmission -- and the aftermarket shifter can't really have an impact on that. If that's all the problem is, the CHE torque limiters should help - you'll need the CHE K-member brace as well I believe for the limiters to mount to. The bonus? The k-member with torque limiters is half the price of the MGW.

I'm experiencing this 1-2 bind under hard accelerations and my CHE K-member w/torque limiters should be waiting for me to install them when I get home tomorrow night.


One thing to note though... if you're actually paranoid that an aftermarket shifter could give Ford the chance to deny the warranty in this issue... I'm guessing torque limiters might fall under that same rule as well. Go and talk to the service manager at your dealership if you're concerned. Not all of them are ogres.
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I already have the prothane engine mounts and it still binds up on the 1-2 shift


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