WMS Intake Wire Splicing Option
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I can't say that I am happy with the though of chopping up the wiring harness in my car either. I do think an extension harnes with a male and female end would be perfect. Quality connections and no moding of my wiring harness!
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
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Originally posted by RRRoamer@August 25, 2005, 10:09 AM
I can't say that I am happy with the though of chopping up the wiring harness in my car either. I do think an extension harnes with a male and female end would be perfect. Quality connections and no moding of my wiring harness!
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
I can't say that I am happy with the though of chopping up the wiring harness in my car either. I do think an extension harnes with a male and female end would be perfect. Quality connections and no moding of my wiring harness!
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
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Originally posted by RRRoamer@August 25, 2005, 12:09 PM
I can't say that I am happy with the though of chopping up the wiring harness in my car either. I do think an extension harnes with a male and female end would be perfect. Quality connections and no moding of my wiring harness!
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
I can't say that I am happy with the though of chopping up the wiring harness in my car either. I do think an extension harnes with a male and female end would be perfect. Quality connections and no moding of my wiring harness!
I also have issues with the splice type connectors Brent is thinking about. They do not have the best reputation for reliability. And given how ciritical the voltage signal is, I would rather not have them in my car. There is a different style of tap connector that DOES work very well. It has a sealant in the connector that seals the insulation on the wire so no air or moisture will get to the tap and cause oxidation. They are MUCH better than the little blue ones. And no, I can't remember where I have seen them before. Maybe Mouser Electronics or DigiKey.
Are any of these what you are talking about? Make sure you scroll down and look at the links for all the different connectors. They each have general descriptions (i.e. moisture resistant, flame retardant, etc.)
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/u...ler/output_html
I also found this on Mouser's site...
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/623/1017.pdf
-Ex
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Like Brent said: "brainstorming"... There are other options as well if no male connector is available for the original plug: one of the options is to use a milspec weather proof coupler on a longer pigtail with a new plug. That's more little connections to do of course, but will probably look better than heat shrink tubing.
Personally, I don't trust those little blue crimp-on 3-way connectors at all. Because of the vibration, heat and dirt under the hood, I would be too paranoid that they will loosen. And I don't like to put holes into the wire insulation unless it gets sealed up somehow [just a personal peeve from an unlucky car electronics guy]. They are easy to put on and take off, period.
Of course, don't most of our cars have a cut-in piece of wire in the positve battery wire where the wire guard is blue? Why the heck is that there anyway? <chuckle>
Seriously, I've asked two auto electronics companies to look at this issue [thanks for including the info on the Ford connector, Brent], and Shannon at WMS and I have talked about it and emailed back and forth. I really want a plug and play extension, but despite that I've already ordered the intake and ram air box. I will simply hold off on installing it until I hear more about the wiring.
Mike Elia
Personally, I don't trust those little blue crimp-on 3-way connectors at all. Because of the vibration, heat and dirt under the hood, I would be too paranoid that they will loosen. And I don't like to put holes into the wire insulation unless it gets sealed up somehow [just a personal peeve from an unlucky car electronics guy]. They are easy to put on and take off, period.
Of course, don't most of our cars have a cut-in piece of wire in the positve battery wire where the wire guard is blue? Why the heck is that there anyway? <chuckle>
Seriously, I've asked two auto electronics companies to look at this issue [thanks for including the info on the Ford connector, Brent], and Shannon at WMS and I have talked about it and emailed back and forth. I really want a plug and play extension, but despite that I've already ordered the intake and ram air box. I will simply hold off on installing it until I hear more about the wiring.
Mike Elia
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Ex,
I scrolled down and found the "run and tap water resistant connector"
Sealant-filled connector is suitable for RV trailers, boats, fleet vehicles and other environmentally sensitive applications where corrosive elements such as road chemicals, salt spray and exhaust fumes might be encountered.
I think this is the protection we are looking for but we need it in a "double run" connector type.
EDIT: Just read Mike's post above, I think the protection is good but hadn't thought about it coming loose? I've never had a tap connector loosen up on me but then again, never put one in the engine compartment either. Yep BRAINSTORMING
Good discussion, thanks guys.
Mike
I scrolled down and found the "run and tap water resistant connector"
Sealant-filled connector is suitable for RV trailers, boats, fleet vehicles and other environmentally sensitive applications where corrosive elements such as road chemicals, salt spray and exhaust fumes might be encountered.
I think this is the protection we are looking for but we need it in a "double run" connector type.
EDIT: Just read Mike's post above, I think the protection is good but hadn't thought about it coming loose? I've never had a tap connector loosen up on me but then again, never put one in the engine compartment either. Yep BRAINSTORMING
Good discussion, thanks guys.
Mike
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Here is a link to our install thread. Pics included. As for splicing I ended up cutting the factory wires and extending them. The crimp splicers were going to be to much of a hassle and for me it was easier to cut the wires. I do think crimp splicing would work find as another option.
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?ac...43&t=32771&st=0
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?ac...43&t=32771&st=0
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Is the Mustang MAF wiring harness the same as any previous model years ?
If so, what about picking up a MAF housing from a junkyard and soldering the harness that Brent bought and make our own extension. This would get us the male connector we're looking for.
Just a thought.
If so, what about picking up a MAF housing from a junkyard and soldering the harness that Brent bought and make our own extension. This would get us the male connector we're looking for.
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Fastrack@August 25, 2005, 1:33 PM
Is the Mustang MAF wiring harness the same as any previous model years ?
If so, what about picking up a MAF housing from a junkyard and soldering the harness that Brent bought and make our own extension. This would get us the male connector we're looking for.
Just a thought.
Is the Mustang MAF wiring harness the same as any previous model years ?
If so, what about picking up a MAF housing from a junkyard and soldering the harness that Brent bought and make our own extension. This would get us the male connector we're looking for.
Just a thought.
As for using those Scotch Lockblue connectors I'm totally against it! We have stopped using them at work because they eventually cut through the wiring and cause an open circuit. They are used widely on trailor lights and how many of those do you see out regularly?
I have my kit in too and my first impressions are a bit sketchy but we'll see how she does on the dyno. I can't wait to datalogg the airtemps from it because being that it sucks air up from behind the radiator fan I dont think it will be too great.
Later Doug.
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Originally posted by Doug904@August 25, 2005, 6:23 PM
No, the 05's use a entirely new MAF connector.
As for using those Scotch Lockblue connectors I'm totally against it! We have stopped using them at work because they eventually cut through the wiring and cause an open circuit. They are used widely on trailor lights and how many of those do you see out regularly?
I have my kit in too and my first impressions are a bit sketchy but we'll see how she does on the dyno. I can't wait to datalogg the airtemps from it because being that it sucks air up from behind the radiator fan I dont think it will be too great.
Later Doug.
No, the 05's use a entirely new MAF connector.
As for using those Scotch Lockblue connectors I'm totally against it! We have stopped using them at work because they eventually cut through the wiring and cause an open circuit. They are used widely on trailor lights and how many of those do you see out regularly?
I have my kit in too and my first impressions are a bit sketchy but we'll see how she does on the dyno. I can't wait to datalogg the airtemps from it because being that it sucks air up from behind the radiator fan I dont think it will be too great.
Later Doug.
. To me it's the piece that ties the whole deal together where it makes sense.
Otherwise, I'm sure when you datalog the air temps it will confirm that we've just tapped into the fan shroud
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Originally posted by Doug904@August 25, 2005, 7:23 PM
As for using those Scotch Lockblue connectors I'm totally against it! We have stopped using them at work because they eventually cut through the wiring and cause an open circuit.
Later Doug.
As for using those Scotch Lockblue connectors I'm totally against it! We have stopped using them at work because they eventually cut through the wiring and cause an open circuit.
Later Doug.
Another thing I noticed during the install was these MAF wires are really small and I think it would be hard to use a splice connector on them.
That is what a brainstorming session is all about.
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Originally posted by BRENSPEED@August 29, 2005, 7:47 PM
I finished today. I will post info Tuesday. Programs are ready to ship.
I finished today. I will post info Tuesday. Programs are ready to ship.
Originally posted by The Lyin' King@August 29, 2005, 7:50 PM
WE'RE WAITING WITH BAIT BREATH!
WE'RE WAITING WITH BAIT BREATH!
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Thanks Mike. Let us know what you find out.
On another front there IS a plug-n-play available but it's pricey. It's meant for supercharged applications but will work for those of us that are staying N/A. Shannon/WMS believes it's about $150 so that washes out our 20% discount. Here's the link to Diablosport and Shannon's e/m is below. From Diablosport website:
DiabloSport product found:
MAF.ia. F7370 (length 2')
MAF style in the vehicle: 2005
For 2005 Ford gas vehicles with the original MAF sensor and the original harness.
MAF.ia. plugs in-between your factory MAF sensor and the factory MAF harness. Fully plug-and-play, eliminating the need of cutting your factory harness.
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> View Contact Details
Subject: Re: WMS HVI05M TMS [product shipped]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:05 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
The MAFia is designed as a 'signal modifier' for the stock maf, mainly
for supercharged applications that will peg the maf meter (exceed its
output voltage) This function is not needed at all on a naturally
aspirated engine but it can act as an extension harness as well so no
cutting of the harness would be needed. There are different settings
inside it and you can set it to stock (set to 0) so it does not modify the signal
at all. They are pricey though about $150 US.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
On another front there IS a plug-n-play available but it's pricey. It's meant for supercharged applications but will work for those of us that are staying N/A. Shannon/WMS believes it's about $150 so that washes out our 20% discount. Here's the link to Diablosport and Shannon's e/m is below. From Diablosport website:
DiabloSport product found:
MAF.ia. F7370 (length 2')
MAF style in the vehicle: 2005
For 2005 Ford gas vehicles with the original MAF sensor and the original harness.
MAF.ia. plugs in-between your factory MAF sensor and the factory MAF harness. Fully plug-and-play, eliminating the need of cutting your factory harness.
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> View Contact Details
Subject: Re: WMS HVI05M TMS [product shipped]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:05 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
The MAFia is designed as a 'signal modifier' for the stock maf, mainly
for supercharged applications that will peg the maf meter (exceed its
output voltage) This function is not needed at all on a naturally
aspirated engine but it can act as an extension harness as well so no
cutting of the harness would be needed. There are different settings
inside it and you can set it to stock (set to 0) so it does not modify the signal
at all. They are pricey though about $150 US.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
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Originally posted by blackhat97@September 2, 2005, 12:06 PM
Thanks Mike. Let us know what you find out.
On another front there IS a plug-n-play available but it's pricey. It's meant for supercharged applications but will work for those of us that are staying N/A. Shannon/WMS believes it's about $150 so that washes out our 20% discount. Here's the link to Diablosport and Shannon's e/m is below. From Diablosport website:
DiabloSport product found:
MAF.ia. F7370 (length 2')
MAF style in the vehicle: 2005
For 2005 Ford gas vehicles with the original MAF sensor and the original harness.
MAF.ia. plugs in-between your factory MAF sensor and the factory MAF harness. Fully plug-and-play, eliminating the need of cutting your factory harness.
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> View Contact Details
Subject: Re: WMS HVI05M TMS [product shipped]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:05 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
The MAFia is designed as a 'signal modifier' for the stock maf, mainly
for supercharged applications that will peg the maf meter (exceed its
output voltage) This function is not needed at all on a naturally
aspirated engine but it can act as an extension harness as well so no
cutting of the harness would be needed. There are different settings
inside it and you can set it to stock (set to 0) so it does not modify the signal
at all. They are pricey though about $150 US.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
Thanks Mike. Let us know what you find out.
On another front there IS a plug-n-play available but it's pricey. It's meant for supercharged applications but will work for those of us that are staying N/A. Shannon/WMS believes it's about $150 so that washes out our 20% discount. Here's the link to Diablosport and Shannon's e/m is below. From Diablosport website:
DiabloSport product found:
MAF.ia. F7370 (length 2')
MAF style in the vehicle: 2005
For 2005 Ford gas vehicles with the original MAF sensor and the original harness.
MAF.ia. plugs in-between your factory MAF sensor and the factory MAF harness. Fully plug-and-play, eliminating the need of cutting your factory harness.
From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> View Contact Details
Subject: Re: WMS HVI05M TMS [product shipped]
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:05 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>
The MAFia is designed as a 'signal modifier' for the stock maf, mainly
for supercharged applications that will peg the maf meter (exceed its
output voltage) This function is not needed at all on a naturally
aspirated engine but it can act as an extension harness as well so no
cutting of the harness would be needed. There are different settings
inside it and you can set it to stock (set to 0) so it does not modify the signal
at all. They are pricey though about $150 US.
Shannon
Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com
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Originally posted by The Lyin' King@September 6, 2005, 1:55 PM
Anybody come up with any alternatives yet?
Anybody come up with any alternatives yet?
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