Want more power! (without voiding warranty)
Hey Folks,
forgive me if this is already been discussed, but what can I do to 05 GT to add more power without voiding the warranty? I'm not thinking too extreme for the moment. Down the road I'll probably throw a ProCharger on it, but for now, I'll settle for another 20-30rwhp.
Suggestions?
~Rob
forgive me if this is already been discussed, but what can I do to 05 GT to add more power without voiding the warranty? I'm not thinking too extreme for the moment. Down the road I'll probably throw a ProCharger on it, but for now, I'll settle for another 20-30rwhp.
Suggestions?
~Rob
Originally posted by Rebel73@May 5, 2005, 3:20 PM
Hey Folks,
forgive me if this is already been discussed, but what can I do to 05 GT to add more power without voiding the warranty? I'm not thinking too extreme for the moment. Down the road I'll probably throw a ProCharger on it, but for now, I'll settle for another 20-30rwhp.
Suggestions?
~Rob
Hey Folks,
forgive me if this is already been discussed, but what can I do to 05 GT to add more power without voiding the warranty? I'm not thinking too extreme for the moment. Down the road I'll probably throw a ProCharger on it, but for now, I'll settle for another 20-30rwhp.
Suggestions?
~Rob
Originally posted by hawgman@May 5, 2005, 7:28 PM
I am curious. Just exactly what is your ( or anyone elses ) definition of "void the warranty"?
I am curious. Just exactly what is your ( or anyone elses ) definition of "void the warranty"?
Originally posted by holderca1@May 6, 2005, 6:52 AM
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
Originally posted by hawgman+May 6, 2005, 9:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawgman @ May 6, 2005, 9:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-holderca1@May 6, 2005, 6:52 AM
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
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Some one in another thread said there is a Law against Ford voiding your warranty unless the parts that were added caused the damage.
I'm sure that doesn't count with cams, cylinderheads, tunes, probably everything internal to the engine
Originally posted by softbatch+May 6, 2005, 9:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(softbatch @ May 6, 2005, 9:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Wow...what an insiteful answer. That cleared everything up.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
Originally posted by hawgman@May 6, 2005, 9:11 AM
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Wow...what an insiteful answer. That cleared everything up.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
I'm sure that doesn't count with cams, cylinderheads, tunes, probably everything internal to the engine
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If the modification you've made causes a failure in a particular part, then you've disqualified yourself in making a warranty claim on that same part. I.E. Let's say you make or have a cold air intake that for some strange reason is open to debris being stinked in, and causes damage. The dealer looks at it and says, "the modification you've made is what created the failure, not the factory setup." If you put slicks on the car, change out the gears and let the clutch out enough to line your wheel wells with rubber...then bust the differential, don't expect to warranty it.
Some of my mods were done to improve performance and 2 of my mods were done due to failure of the factory parts. I didn't even attempt to warranty it. Besides, I wanted to put in better parts to avoid the damage again. I've replaced the clutch and differential due to breakage/wear.
Originally posted by hawgman+May 6, 2005, 8:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawgman @ May 6, 2005, 8:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-holderca1@May 6, 2005, 6:52 AM
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
Ummm, when you have to pay for the repairs and Ford doesn't.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
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Well I thought that was pretty much common sense. Who would think by adding a supercharger would void the warranty on the stereo. Just think of your car having hundreds of warranties. If you add a supercharger and your transmission breaks, Ford won't pay for the repairs, but if your stereo breaks, they will.
Originally posted by holderca1+May 6, 2005, 8:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ May 6, 2005, 8:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Wow...what an insiteful answer. That cleared everything up.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
Originally posted by hawgman@May 6, 2005, 8:11 AM
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Wow...what an insiteful answer. That cleared everything up.
My point was, the atmosphere of the thread kind of suggest that doing anything to your car to get 20 to 30 more horsepower out of it is going to void your entire warranty. And that is not true. If someone puts a CAI on their car, and the radio jacks up, Ford is going to replace the radio. They are not going to say well you modded your car so you have voided your warranty. They only way they will not fix something under warranty is if you have a failure and that failure can be proven to be a direct result of a modification.
For that matter....Ford now sells CAIs for the car. I somehow doubt that they are going to directly sell something for your car that is going to "void" your warranty. For that matter, several of the dealers here locally are modding the cars with exhaust, springs, and "performance tunes". Doubt they are going to do that to a car and then tell the new owner "well, we have modded the car to perform better. The down side is you will not have a warranty".
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Guys,
I'm sure you are aware of the "Magnusson Act", which states a dealership has to prove that the problem is due directly to a modification made by the consumer. Obviously, upgrading a clutch shouldn't void the warranty on your power windows. That's just common sense.
In my previous car, a 96' Talon Tsi AWD, I once took it in because of a synchro-mesh problem with the transmission. The hineyhole dealer denied the claim because I had "modified the exhaust" and the extra power resulting is what caused the tranny problem (yeah right). I was infuriated so I took it to another dealer. Thankfully, they were much cooler and did the work.
This is the kind of crap I'm afraid of when I start modding stuff like exhaust, intake, etc. Guess I'll just have to take that chance. I'm not the kind of guy who can leave my car alone!
~Rob
Originally posted by holderca1+May 6, 2005, 9:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ May 6, 2005, 9:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well I thought that was pretty much common sense. Who would think by adding a supercharger would void the warranty on the stereo. Just think of your car having hundreds of warranties. If you add a supercharger and your transmission breaks, Ford won't pay for the repairs, but if your stereo breaks, they will.
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I agree... but adding a supercharger isn't a 20 to 30 hp mod either. The thread was asking about adding 20 to 30 hp and voiding the warranty.
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I'm sure you are aware of the "Magnusson Act", which states a dealership has to prove that the problem is due directly to a modification made by the consumer.
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yup, that was my point.
Magnusson Act
I thought the only way to void a warranty is to take the vehicle out of the country or to tamper with the odometer. It is my understanding that a dealer can deny a warranty claim, but they can not void a warranty. They can deny a claim on a vehicle with aftermarket parts if it is determined that the part caused the failure.
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Originally posted by holderca1@May 6, 2005, 9:49 AM
Just think of your car having hundreds of warranties. If you add a supercharger and your transmission breaks, Ford won't pay for the repairs, but if your stereo breaks, they will.
Just think of your car having hundreds of warranties. If you add a supercharger and your transmission breaks, Ford won't pay for the repairs, but if your stereo breaks, they will.
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