Twin Turbo
1/8/05 | 11:25 AM
#21
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Ah...! A project RIGHT down my line of thinking! When I first started looking at the 05 Mustang, I thought the stock cat locations would be a good place for a pair of turbos. I guess I'm not the only one to think so.
Needless to say, I wish you the BEST of luck on this project. If you can keep the price within reason, I will DEFINITELY be interested in purchasing the kit + cats setup in the future. The future being defined as soon as my cash flow recovers from buying a new car... !
Needless to say, I wish you the BEST of luck on this project. If you can keep the price within reason, I will DEFINITELY be interested in purchasing the kit + cats setup in the future. The future being defined as soon as my cash flow recovers from buying a new car... !
1/8/05 | 12:49 PM
#22
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Originally posted by charles@January 8, 2005, 12:07 PM
hmmm it has Mitsubishi Turbochargers
hmmm it has Mitsubishi Turbochargers
1/8/05 | 12:53 PM
#23
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Originally posted by Ultimate Racing@January 8, 2005, 10:01 AM
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
1/9/05 | 02:13 AM
#25
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Originally posted by max2000jp+January 8, 2005, 1:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (max2000jp @ January 8, 2005, 1:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ultimate Racing@January 8, 2005, 10:01 AM
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
piping a single turbo is much harder on a V configeration motor, it is much easier to have one turbo per side.
1/9/05 | 02:18 AM
#26
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Originally posted by creedog+January 7, 2005, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (creedog @ January 7, 2005, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
I am going to say "No" for now. CARB exemption is a very tough thing to qualify for when dealing with high horsepower kits. One rule is that the factory cats MUST be retained in order for it to qualify for CARB exemption. Unfortunately, Ford didn't flange the cats themselves, so they must be removed with the factory Y-Pipe. All variations of our kit require the factory cats to be removed. My only suggestion would be to opt for our high-flow cat option. Our off-road kits definitely will not pass as the external wastegates will be dumping to open atmosphere.
Darryl
Originally posted by Ultimate Racing@January 7, 2005, 3:26 PM
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@January 7, 2005, 3:07 PM
Will your kits be CARB legal? Thanks!
Will your kits be CARB legal? Thanks!
I am going to say "No" for now. CARB exemption is a very tough thing to qualify for when dealing with high horsepower kits. One rule is that the factory cats MUST be retained in order for it to qualify for CARB exemption. Unfortunately, Ford didn't flange the cats themselves, so they must be removed with the factory Y-Pipe. All variations of our kit require the factory cats to be removed. My only suggestion would be to opt for our high-flow cat option. Our off-road kits definitely will not pass as the external wastegates will be dumping to open atmosphere.
Darryl
I am not too familiar w/ turbos, esp w/ mustangs. Are these kits, the smog legal ones, made for drag racing primarily or more for street use? How is driving a tubro car different than say a centrifugal supercharged car? Do you have to wait for the rmp's to go up and then power comes on? I have heard you need the tubro to "spool up" to get real power. Is that why tubro's do better in high-reving imports? Do turbos put the same amt of additional stress as would a supercharger at 7-8psi on the engines? I really do not know that is why I am asking.
Thanks
Cree [/b][/quote]
Turbo's and centrifugal blower make their power both around 2500-3500 rpm, the main difference is the supercharger is using a lot of hp to spin the blower and the turbo uses none since it is run off the exhaust. If you want more power in the lower RPM's go with a twin screw blower, but over all the turbo charger is the most efficiant and for the same amount of boost you will always get more hp out of a turbo over a superchager because you have no loss on the pulley turning.
I hope this helped and was all accurate
1/9/05 | 11:41 AM
#27
This is an insane setup! If I had unlimmeted funds to dump into my car I would start here (if it were to stay a street car). The tech that I use to dyno my car has urged me to purchase a header kit and he would help build and tune my car with a single or dual turbo application; however I feel that this would be a guinea pig operation and he probably wouldn't help me if any oops or oh s**t were to happen. If anyone purchases this kit and has a car that will make a black mark and sit for pictures after installation is probably a shoe-in for a magazine write-up.
It's nice to dream.
It's nice to dream.
1/9/05 | 04:30 PM
#28
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Originally posted by dhof303@January 9, 2005, 12:44 PM
This is an insane setup! If I had unlimmeted funds to dump into my car I would start here (if it were to stay a street car). The tech that I use to dyno my car has urged me to purchase a header kit and he would help build and tune my car with a single or dual turbo application; however I feel that this would be a guinea pig operation and he probably wouldn't help me if any oops or oh s**t were to happen. If anyone purchases this kit and has a car that will make a black mark and sit for pictures after installation is probably a shoe-in for a magazine write-up.
It's nice to dream.
This is an insane setup! If I had unlimmeted funds to dump into my car I would start here (if it were to stay a street car). The tech that I use to dyno my car has urged me to purchase a header kit and he would help build and tune my car with a single or dual turbo application; however I feel that this would be a guinea pig operation and he probably wouldn't help me if any oops or oh s**t were to happen. If anyone purchases this kit and has a car that will make a black mark and sit for pictures after installation is probably a shoe-in for a magazine write-up.
It's nice to dream.
1/10/05 | 07:54 AM
#29
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Originally posted by max2000jp+January 8, 2005, 2:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (max2000jp @ January 8, 2005, 2:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ultimate Racing@January 8, 2005, 10:01 AM
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
corey796 and 05_John
The turbochargers are hung low for three reasons.
1) We are adapting the turbochargers to the factory exhaust manifolds to help keep the kit's price tag low
2) There's absolutely no space to hang the turbochargers elsewhere
3) Near the bottom, the turbochargers will get the best amount of outside cooling
Since the turbochargers hang as low as they do, they cannot efficiently drain oil as the engine's oil level will be above the turbo's oil return (oil return drains by gravity). For this, we will be manufacturing a small oil sump for both turbo's to return their oil to. From there, an electric oil scavenging pump will pickup the oil and return it back to the motor.
We thought about a single turbo system at first. Problem is, there isn't a single turbocharger large enough to support the 4.6L displacement and still be effiecient at 7-8psi. For a setup designed to run higher boost levels, a single turbo becomes more realistic.
450rwhp is a guesstimate based on our experience turbocharging cars. FYI, we're seldomly far off B)
Darryl
Morning guys,
A single GT35R definitely could not support the size of this motor. It would be far out of efficiency to the point where it's just being overworked and blowing hot air. That particular turbo works really well with small displacement motors that you'd find in 4 cylinder imports. Many of our big turbo kits for certain imports use that same turbo B)
Darryl
1/10/05 | 06:51 PM
#30
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Originally posted by Ultimate Racing+January 7, 2005, 3:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ultimate Racing @ January 7, 2005, 3:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dallasw77@January 7, 2005, 3:07 PM
Will your kits be CARB legal? Thanks!
Will your kits be CARB legal? Thanks!
Darryl [/b][/quote]
Why ricer turbos? Why not a twin GReddy T-88 and a twin T-76 packages KB and Procharger pass carb look at the 03 cobras.
1/10/05 | 10:20 PM
#31
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Not to sound like an donkey doughnut but what are you talking about? What is a ricer turbo? I am not an expert or anything but arent most turbo companies from overseas? "Twin T88s" sounds like something out of that Fast and Furious movie.
The guy already said why they cant go carb legal on this kit. Read the post you quoted.
Sorry about the rant everyone.
Edit - I didnt say donkey doughnut
The guy already said why they cant go carb legal on this kit. Read the post you quoted.
Sorry about the rant everyone.
Edit - I didnt say donkey doughnut
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