Time for a Shortblock
#101
well, I know a replacement aluminum block will set anyone back $1200 alone. I wanted to go with the Windsor iron block for strength purposes and it cost anywhere from $250-$300.
I'm not knocking you Bryan. I was just shocked at that pricetag and I guess I was typing before I really broke it down. No offense intended.
I'm not knocking you Bryan. I was just shocked at that pricetag and I guess I was typing before I really broke it down. No offense intended.
#103
As far as my buildup:
Windsor iron block-
Cobra forged crank
Manley 4340 steel H Beam rods w/upgraded ARP2000 7/16" bolts
CP 13cc pistons
Al's custom valves and titanium dual spring kit
Fully ported head and valve work
ATI damper/harmonic balancer
Balanced and assembled
Moroso oil pan
I'll post prices when i get the OK.
I might replace the cams once some billets become available.
TKO600 and a turbo setup.
Al Pappito-Boss 330
http://www.boss330racing.com/
Windsor iron block-
Cobra forged crank
Manley 4340 steel H Beam rods w/upgraded ARP2000 7/16" bolts
CP 13cc pistons
Al's custom valves and titanium dual spring kit
Fully ported head and valve work
ATI damper/harmonic balancer
Balanced and assembled
Moroso oil pan
I'll post prices when i get the OK.
I might replace the cams once some billets become available.
TKO600 and a turbo setup.
Al Pappito-Boss 330
http://www.boss330racing.com/
#104
Originally posted by 169stang@November 15, 2005, 6:53 PM
As far as my buildup:
Windsor iron block, Cobra crank, Manley H Beam rods, CP 13cc pistons, valves and springs (I forget the make, but will edit this when I find out), port and polish, ATI damper/harmonic balancer.
I might replace the cams once some solids become available.
TKO600 and a turbo setup.
As far as my buildup:
Windsor iron block, Cobra crank, Manley H Beam rods, CP 13cc pistons, valves and springs (I forget the make, but will edit this when I find out), port and polish, ATI damper/harmonic balancer.
I might replace the cams once some solids become available.
TKO600 and a turbo setup.
#105
Keeping a close eye on both of these builds. I am really interested in how well the tune goes for the new engine/power adder combos. Please keep the info coming guys. This is a great learning experience for many of us w/ these new cars.
#108
Originally posted by hawgman@November 15, 2005, 8:53 PM
Carefully put it all back together minus the blower and other goodies, have them tow it to somewhere on the side of the highway, call Ford, and tell them it started making a noise
Carefully put it all back together minus the blower and other goodies, have them tow it to somewhere on the side of the highway, call Ford, and tell them it started making a noise
That's my plan when the fateful day arrives for me.
#109
Originally posted by 2005RedGT@November 15, 2005, 5:19 AM
Update:
Does not look like detonation that caused the engine to blow. Per Steve at Houston Performance, he thinks the piston gave out, the rod snapped, and this torn the block to crap - all from too much heat from 9# of boost.
Teaser Pic
See pics here: http://www.mymustangpage.com/2005redgt/page32
-Bryan
Update:
Does not look like detonation that caused the engine to blow. Per Steve at Houston Performance, he thinks the piston gave out, the rod snapped, and this torn the block to crap - all from too much heat from 9# of boost.
Teaser Pic
See pics here: http://www.mymustangpage.com/2005redgt/page32
-Bryan
#110
Originally posted by clockworks@November 15, 2005, 9:09 PM
I thought a shortblock included the actual block...?
I thought a shortblock included the actual block...?
#111
Mongoose,
They think the piston came apart first. That caused assorted "very bad things" to happen, including breaking the rod. It does not appear the rod caused the failure, but the rod failure was caused by the piston failure.
Given that the max load on the rod is when the piston goes over the top and the forces on it are the square of the rpm, I don't think the rod failed. He was running a supercharger and not running at super high rpm at the time of the failure. There was really not much reason for the rod to fail in this case.
If you want to increase the rpm much (say for a nasty naturally aspirated motor), then you better get some very good rods in there. Of course, if you are rebuilding your motor anyway, you would be crazy not to put better rods in. Just to be sure.
They think the piston came apart first. That caused assorted "very bad things" to happen, including breaking the rod. It does not appear the rod caused the failure, but the rod failure was caused by the piston failure.
Given that the max load on the rod is when the piston goes over the top and the forces on it are the square of the rpm, I don't think the rod failed. He was running a supercharger and not running at super high rpm at the time of the failure. There was really not much reason for the rod to fail in this case.
If you want to increase the rpm much (say for a nasty naturally aspirated motor), then you better get some very good rods in there. Of course, if you are rebuilding your motor anyway, you would be crazy not to put better rods in. Just to be sure.
#114
His name is Andre Terranova. He is an independant tuner. However, it was not the tune that caused it to blow. Andre is an experienced tuner of blowen modulars and tunes many with out incident. He has also been tuning my 'Stang for over a year. I have full confidance in his abilities
However, on the new engine, Houston Performance will be doing the rebuild and the tuning.
-Bryan
However, on the new engine, Houston Performance will be doing the rebuild and the tuning.
-Bryan
#115
So what was the cause of the piston splitting?
#118
Bryan,
So what was the ROOT cause of the failure? From the pics, it looks like the piston failed which then caused the subsequent rod and other parts failure. Your saying the piston cracked when it hit the head, which is implying that the rod failed first.
Have they figured out what the failure order was?
So what was the ROOT cause of the failure? From the pics, it looks like the piston failed which then caused the subsequent rod and other parts failure. Your saying the piston cracked when it hit the head, which is implying that the rod failed first.
Have they figured out what the failure order was?
#119
Rod first ... then piston into head and cracked. Then rod tore into the block and poked a hole (small) from the inside out of the passenger side.
Now, per some 2v guys and some Lightning guys, this looked very familiar being that the rods could not hold up.
-Bryan
Now, per some 2v guys and some Lightning guys, this looked very familiar being that the rods could not hold up.
-Bryan
#120
And the cracks in the piston DID [I am guessing here] occur at the weakest point, but only due to impacting the head. Interesting. Not fun, but interesting. I guess those of us with less high powered ambition should be ok then.
I am glad you have the means to pay for this Bryan. I think just going to the blower to start with would empty out most people's piggy bank... It sure would empty mine!
Mike E
I am glad you have the means to pay for this Bryan. I think just going to the blower to start with would empty out most people's piggy bank... It sure would empty mine!
Mike E