GT Performance Mods 2005+ Mustang GT Performance and Technical Information

SpyderShaft is in!!!!

Old Dec 10, 2007 | 10:36 AM
  #41  
dly's Avatar
dly
Thread Starter
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: June 24, 2006
Posts: 2,501
Likes: 16
Originally Posted by 65sohc
So is there a noticeable improvement in acceleration?

Yup, I lose about 20lbs or more of weight and that allows the motor to free up about 5 to 10 hp. Motor spools up a little quicker.
It's been in now for awhile with no problems and I even added a Saleen SC later in the year it works fine pushing 430rwhp.

Reply
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 11:19 AM
  #42  
sook's Avatar
GT Member
 
Joined: October 28, 2006
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
From: CA
Originally Posted by '90 SSC Clone
What size is the pinion flange nut?

27mm or 1 1/16.

nevermind. there is a whole thread dedicated to pinon nut size
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:42 PM
  #43  
70MACH1OWNER's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: January 9, 2005
Posts: 6,982
Likes: 6
From: New Carlisle, Ohio (20 miles north of Dayton)
Well guys it's official. I am Spyderized. It took an 18 inch breaker bar with a 24 inch piece of pipe to break that sucker loose. I also had to pull my truck in the garage so I could put my feet against the front wheel to stop me from sliding. (Thanks Scramblr for the idea!) Anyway you cut it replacing that pinion flange is tuff. Glad it's done. On the Earls SS brake lines.
Scott
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:04 PM
  #44  
tom281's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: October 8, 2005
Posts: 12,395
Likes: 29
From: Medina county, OH
Dang pops, I heard about old dudes having hip or knee replacements but not shaft replacements...... has does your new shaft feel??


Reply
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:28 PM
  #45  
70MACH1OWNER's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: January 9, 2005
Posts: 6,982
Likes: 6
From: New Carlisle, Ohio (20 miles north of Dayton)
Originally Posted by tom281
Dang pops, I heard about old dudes having hip or knee replacements but not shaft replacements...... has does your new shaft feel??



Well how does 4 inches in diameter and say 45 inches long sound to you? Young Gun!!!
Scott
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 08:36 AM
  #46  
tom281's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: October 8, 2005
Posts: 12,395
Likes: 29
From: Medina county, OH
Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Well how does 4 inches in diameter and say 45 inches long sound to you?
Scott

Familiar.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 09:28 AM
  #47  
scramblr's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: August 14, 2005
Posts: 1,217
Likes: 0
From: Spangdahlem Air Base Germany
Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Well guys it's official. I am Spyderized. It took an 18 inch breaker bar with a 24 inch piece of pipe to break that sucker loose. I also had to pull my truck in the garage so I could put my feet against the front wheel to stop me from sliding. (Thanks Scramblr for the idea!) Anyway you cut it replacing that pinion flange is tuff. Glad it's done. On the Earls SS brake lines.
Scott
Glad it worked out for you Scott. Gotta say though, you've had the most trouble with that nut than any other thread I've read. Someone went a little trigger happy with the impact gun when assembling it. That's definitely not the norm.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 02:34 PM
  #48  
70MACH1OWNER's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: January 9, 2005
Posts: 6,982
Likes: 6
From: New Carlisle, Ohio (20 miles north of Dayton)
Originally Posted by scramblr
Glad it worked out for you Scott. Gotta say though, you've had the most trouble with that nut than any other thread I've read. Someone went a little trigger happy with the impact gun when assembling it. That's definitely not the norm.

Hey Alex,
There was a couple of things I didn't like about that pinion nut. First was how tight it was. It took way more than 150ft/lbs to break that nut loose. Next was how hard that nut came off the thread. Alot of effort. Like it was cross threaded but it wasn't. Third, the stock pinion flange was really pressed on the pinion spline. Again a lot of effort to pull it off. Lastly, the amount of effort required to draw the new flange back until it seated. Again, the spline seemed like a big press fit. I wasn't happy about the amount of the effort required coming off or going back on. Especially after I read guys just tapped their stock flange off with a rubber mallet. I am curious though about one thing. I lost maybe 6-8 oz. of gear lube in the swap. Did you guys top off the differential fluid? Or not worry about it. I have not checked the level yet.
Scott
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 02:35 PM
  #49  
'90 SSC Clone's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: February 1, 2004
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
I just want you guys to know that you are very bad influences! I broke down and ordered my spydershaft!
As soon as I get back home from Ramtein AB, Germany, my new shaft will be waiting on me and will be installing it shortly after!!!
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:44 PM
  #50  
scramblr's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: August 14, 2005
Posts: 1,217
Likes: 0
From: Spangdahlem Air Base Germany
Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Hey Alex,
There was a couple of things I didn't like about that pinion nut. First was how tight it was. It took way more than 150ft/lbs to break that nut loose. Next was how hard that nut came off the thread. Alot of effort. Like it was cross threaded but it wasn't. Third, the stock pinion flange was really pressed on the pinion spline. Again a lot of effort to pull it off. Lastly, the amount of effort required to draw the new flange back until it seated. Again, the spline seemed like a big press fit. I wasn't happy about the amount of the effort required coming off or going back on. Especially after I read guys just tapped their stock flange off with a rubber mallet. I am curious though about one thing. I lost maybe 6-8 oz. of gear lube in the swap. Did you guys top off the differential fluid? Or not worry about it. I have not checked the level yet.
Scott
Scott,

Ron (Spyder) is now selling a puller for the flange. That was before I installed mine (the bastard ). It took a 3lb short handle sledge hammer just to get stock CV joint out of the stock flange. The same BFH was used to take the flange off, with love taps of course. The new flange went in part way, just enough to stop the fluid from coming out and then yes, it took some torque to get it seated in there, hence the 140lb ft torque to get it seated in there. No worries with that. Also, your fluid level should be fine. Just open up the filler hole and stick your "clean" finger in there and check the level. It takes 1.7 liters and should be just below the bottom of the fill hole with the axle at ride height. I checked mine after installation and it was right where it should be.

Originally Posted by '90 SSC Clone
I just want you guys to know that you are very bad influences! I broke down and ordered my spydershaft!
As soon as I get back home from Ramtein AB, Germany, my new shaft will be waiting on me and will be installing it shortly after!!!
Well I sure hope so, your per diem just payed for it.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:59 PM
  #51  
spyder7724's Avatar
Bullitt Member
 
Joined: January 17, 2006
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
Hey Darrell and Sypder7724 (Ron),
Okey Dokey,
Darrell says he had issues getting the pinion nut off with his air gun and Spyder (Ron) says he about knocked 2 ***** into left field trying to get the pinion nut off. Well I am doing the install on the Sydieshaft today and the stock driveshaft came out in about 30 minutes. Well that pinion nut seems to be an issue. I have used a 250 ft/lb impact wrench and a breaker bar with my foot against the under carriage with no luck. I even have a 200 ft/lb torque wrench that I cannot even get the pinion nut loose with. I have tried jack handles that are too long also. I need to cut a piece of pipe that will slip up and down my breaker bar so I would hit the floor. I am just trying to figure out how something that is supposed to be on torqued to 120-150 ft/lbs can't be broken loose with a 250 lb impact wrench!! Any suggestions Ron?

Scott
sorry scott I was in orlando for a few days. did you get it worked out? The loctite that Fomoco uses is really good. when I do the installs I'll use a snap-on impact gun (really strong 500+ft.lbs.) or a 1/2 drive ratchet with an 18" pipe for leverage. Other than that you could use a small amount of heat but I've never had to resort to that. I'd be very cautious if you plan on using a torch under there. that fuel tank is plastic and very close.
*Changing the flange may be more difficult but judging from the results we have had it is worth the extra work to install the correct parts designed for this type of an application.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 05:00 PM
  #52  
TASSY5's Avatar
V6 Member
 
Joined: January 21, 2007
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
From: Louisiana
I have a question. In going with the 1 piece it seems now apon hard braking the rear end seems to tap on my mid muffler exhaust. I did try to re allign it but to no avail. Does the rear end pivit down more then 1" to 1 1/2" apon hard braking ? That is how far my drive shaft flange is from the Exhaust pipe. Do I need to put on UCA's and LCA's to stop the rotation up or down of the rear end?

If so Adjustable or non adjustable. Just adj. upper or lower or both?

Hard beaking gives me a ting tin tin which makes the side exhaust slightly move up and down about 1/4". ONLY under hard braking.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 05:25 PM
  #53  
70MACH1OWNER's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: January 9, 2005
Posts: 6,982
Likes: 6
From: New Carlisle, Ohio (20 miles north of Dayton)
Originally Posted by spyder7724
sorry scott I was in orlando for a few days. did you get it worked out? The loctite that Fomoco uses is really good. when I do the installs I'll use a snap-on impact gun (really strong 500+ft.lbs.) or a 1/2 drive ratchet with an 18" pipe for leverage. Other than that you could use a small amount of heat but I've never had to resort to that. I'd be very cautious if you plan on using a torch under there. that fuel tank is plastic and very close.
*Changing the flange may be more difficult but judging from the results we have had it is worth the extra work to install the correct parts designed for this type of an application.
Hey Ron,
Read down thru the later posts. I have the Spydieshaft installed. I guess in a nut shell I was very surprised at the effort it took to remove the stock pinion nut and flange and put on the flange you supply. Don't get me wrong...I am happy with your product..and I am glad that I have no spacer to worry about. But I have to admit the effort required while lying on your back in 30 degree weather was not expected. We're cool!
Scott


P.S. I also know it is a lot about tolerances. Maybe the spline on my pinion gear is a little oversized. That would make it a lot tougher to remove the stock flange and put on the new one. Also I used a 250 ft/lb torque wrench not a 500 ft/lb one like you did. Stupid question here. If Ford only torques to a max of 150 why would you need a 500 ft/lb wrench? Now I know why it feels like a left a nut laying on the garage floor last night. :-)
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:22 PM
  #54  
tom281's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: October 8, 2005
Posts: 12,395
Likes: 29
From: Medina county, OH
Scott, hope you get to drive it soon and check for vibration, etc.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 07:29 PM
  #55  
SoundGuyDave's Avatar
Bullitt Member
 
Joined: August 13, 2007
Posts: 342
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by 70MACH1OWNER
P.S. I also know it is a lot about tolerances. Maybe the spline on my pinion gear is a little oversized. That would make it a lot tougher to remove the stock flange and put on the new one. Also I used a 250 ft/lb torque wrench not a 500 ft/lb one like you did. Stupid question here. If Ford only torques to a max of 150 why would you need a 500 ft/lb wrench? Now I know why it feels like a left a nut laying on the garage floor last night. :-)
One hyphenated word, two syllables: LOC-TITE. The red Loc-Tite that Ford uses grabs like JB Weld. I ran across this in two different places when doing mods, and it was a ***** both times. The upper bolt on the UCA mount (inside the car, under the seat) was nearly impossible to take off, but honestly, the pinion flange nut was worse. Like yours, mine was a major PITA to pull, right down to needing to use a precision adjustment tool (read: BFH) to assist in removing the flange, including a moment or two of panic when the flange cleared the seal, fluid started pouring out, and it was STILL stuck on the pinon shaft...

ALL THAT SAID, the Spydershaft ranks very high on the bang-for-the-buck scale. I was fighting with CAI/tune issues at the time, so no back-to-back timeslip data, but my butt-dyno says it was easily good for a tenth or two. I didn't have to reset the pinion angle, and I have no vibrations up to around 130 or so. The car just feels crisper in both acceleration and braking. If I had to do it all over again, I most certainly would choose the Spydershaft all over again, BUT, I would order the puller! Seriously, this is not an install to be afraid of at all. Just be ready with some muscle. And Advil.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 11:01 PM
  #56  
sook's Avatar
GT Member
 
Joined: October 28, 2006
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
From: CA
Well I just joined the spydershaft ranks. Got back from my initial test drive. Took her up to 90 with a hard launch and did some regular driving. ZERO increase to NVH. Even my girl (the queen of "whats wrong with your car?") didn't notice a change.

As for the install, the pinon nut wasn't too tough. But keep in mind, I have less than 7000 miles on the clock. I rented a 3 jaw gear puller from kragen for the pinon flange. You lay down a deposit and get it back in full if you return the tool in 24 hours. The only real headache I had was trying to get the flange bolts torqued to 76 ft/lbs. I broke my 3/8 inch torque wrench so I had to use the 1/2 inch torque wrench. Even with a universal joint it was awkward.

Ron, GREAT PRODUCT!!! Now I need to focus on traction...
Reply
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 02:49 AM
  #57  
'90 SSC Clone's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: February 1, 2004
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Well I sure hope so, your per diem just payed for it. [/quote]

Per diem, what per diem? You guys get per diem? Just kidding. This little trip to Germany also just paid for some other goodies for "X-Mas"! As in Shaker Hood assembly, front chin spoiler, sequence tail lights and even some new floor mats!

Just can't wait to get home to install everything!
Reply
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 03:06 AM
  #58  
scramblr's Avatar
Legacy TMS Member
 
Joined: August 14, 2005
Posts: 1,217
Likes: 0
From: Spangdahlem Air Base Germany
Originally Posted by '90 SSC Clone
Per diem, what per diem? You guys get per diem? Just kidding. This little trip to Germany also just paid for some other goodies for "X-Mas"! As in Shaker Hood assembly, front chin spoiler, sequence tail lights and even some new floor mats! Just can't wait to get home to install everything!

Um, Yeah, thinking you did alright on that trip!!!
Reply
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 03:38 AM
  #59  
'90 SSC Clone's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: February 1, 2004
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by scramblr
Um, Yeah, thinking you did alright on that trip!!!
Well I hope so, but actually still on it. I'm still here at Ramstein AB until Friday. Just been ordering my parts from here!

Reply
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 06:22 PM
  #60  
Pwny's Avatar
Mach 1 Member
 
Joined: December 4, 2007
Posts: 893
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Everybody should get a loop with a new driveshaft!

Have you noticed any performance gains with the Spydershaft?
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:20 PM.