15 HP without a tune sounds like a pretty sizeable increase to me. Considering the others get about 25-27 hp increases but with a $400 tuner.

 

If a tune cost $400 for 25HP thats about $16 per HP

With the K&N at $286 for 15Hp thats about $19 per HP

Sounds like a good idea to me, ..... to each his/her own though.

 

I think it's already been proven that the hydrocarbon trap isn't that big of an air restriction. It's main purpose is for emmisions.

My main concern is still that they are saying you don't need a tune. Can't figure out how they get away with it and nobody else can.

Compared to other K&N setups that I've seen on older models i'm not impressed with the looks on this new one. I think that C&L has the best looking kit.

 

I'm sure you get some gains from a CAI,
but most of the gains from said manufacturers are probably all tuned so they can say 'With our CAI you get 'x' horsepower' (with tune)

Its all a numbers game.

 

How could that be true? I think they are just saying that so that you leave the trap in for emissions. Basically just covering their you know what.

 

$260 bucks on Martel Brothers, Im down with that, and as soon as I get that part I'll explore takin the hydrocarbon trap out and see if the numbers go any higher than 15 on the dyno, and if anyone wants my old K&N drop in air filter, they can have it, $10 bucks....

 

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still no answer why it was dynoed in THIRD gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I wonder if one of the reflash companies will be making a specific tune for this intake?

 

I hope diablosport will.

I would rather go with K&N than C&L, but no tune for K&N yet.

 

I e-mailed diablsport about this.I'll let ya know as soon as I get a reply.

 

I like this kit. Some of us aren't out to gain as much horsepower as possible. I use to drive a 4-cylinder Jeep Wrangler with 33s, so this with 300 horsepower is plenty for me.

I would like to boost performance and horsepower without voiding my warranty. Looks like this is the kit for me. I can't see justifying spending $400 for tuner and $300 for C&L intake for a 20-25 horsepower increase, plus voiding out the warranty.

With the K&N, you gain 15 horsepower for $250, without voiding out the warranty. I agree that the hydrocarbon trap hasn't been proven to be a major restriction in airflow. Plus, some people even complained of rough idle and the car not running smoothly after removing the hydrocarbon trap.

I will be ordering one of these soon. Thanks for all the info Jessica.

 

the tuner is more than a way to boost HP.For those of us that don't like the drive by wire feel,a tuner can help with that.also gear changes and rpm limit can be altered.Well worth it for those that need it.And the hydrocarbon trap has been proven to cost about 5 hp,for me thats enough to justify removing from both our GT's-with absolutely no negative problems at all.

 

I'm not saying that a tuner isn't beneficial, but it isn't for everyone. My brother has one with his '02 GT. He has replaced gears, cold-air intake, exhaust, etc. If you are planning on doing numerous modifications, then a tuner is definitely the way to go.

Also, I have read on here were some people did have adverse effects from removing the trap. Most of the posts were positive, but there were some negative ones.

 

ok, complainmts about 15hp - It's actually much lamer than that -- it's 15hp at peak 6k RPM. Who drives at 6000? Ok speak up now? Like to pay for gas at that RPM?

Next up - the way they get these values without a tune (and do not cause harm)... 1) insertion of hydrocarb trap back into system. 2) smallish (in comparison) diameter to other units on market (visible comparison - may not be true). 3) reuse of the factory MAF sensor.

Now then... better MAF sensonr, bigger ID and no HC trap - I'm in. Until then, this is only a plastic, smaller C&L. Wish they would just make up some plastic units and we can all end this charade of a debate

(hear that C&L?)

P

 

I havent gotten a chance to talk to the guys at K&N to answer some of these questions...

I had no idea this would spark such a debate!!!

Another note: When I am low on gas, the car seems to run rougher... I filled it up (that is SO MUCH FUN!) and my car seems to hover and is so much smoother! Am I smoking funny stuff? Maybe... I could be delusional... but I SWEAR its true.

 

Jessica,
I've had the same system in my car for about a week (got mine from K&N too) and I thought I noticed it running rougher when low on gas...guess im not the only crazy one

 

So the K&N has a smaller Diameter inlet pipe and re-uses the stock MAF sensor?

 

I'm not aware of any of the aftermarket intakes replacing the MAF sensor. they all reuse it.