Granatelli Turbo Install
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No ring like that at all.
The WG had a flange that mated to a flange on the exhaust. Then a clamp went around both flanges. That's it.
I guess it would only take me a minute to take off the WG to inspect it, like was mentioned earlier.
The WG had a flange that mated to a flange on the exhaust. Then a clamp went around both flanges. That's it.
I guess it would only take me a minute to take off the WG to inspect it, like was mentioned earlier.
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Excuse the interuption, please. But, this thread is sure scaring the heck out of me. I originally started, way back 20 pages ago, and some 380+ posts ago, what I thought would be a great how to experience. Now three words come to mind; DONT DO IT! Do all the different set-ups, ie, turbos & superchargers have these issues. I thought the biggest problem would be damaging internals, not putting it in. I only ask, because the wifie gave my the go ahead with powering up the GT. Now I'm not so sure I want to.
Anyway, thx for listinging, now back to your fun filled packed adventurous program. I'll just watch from the sidelines, at a distance.
Anyway, thx for listinging, now back to your fun filled packed adventurous program. I'll just watch from the sidelines, at a distance.
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Well, there's suction on the side of the WG from the intake manifold at idle. That suction has to get it's air from somewhere. 
Is there less suction on the other side of the throttle plate? Maybe that's why they specifically say to hook the WG there, instead of after the throttle plate? Purely a guess.
Or, perhaps it is proof that something in the WG is defective? I'll need to show that video to Tial (email sent).
That suction wouldn't be there with the boost controller hooked up, though! On second thought, maybe it would... since it hooks to the TOP of the wastegate before the boost controller's setting is reached, so that would have to get air from somewhere, too.
The Tial's instructions show a "vent" in the TOP connection to the WG, though, when using a boost controller. Maybe that's where the air is supposed to come from?
http://www.tialmedia.com/documents/w..._wginstall.pdf
Is there less suction on the other side of the throttle plate? Maybe that's why they specifically say to hook the WG there, instead of after the throttle plate? Purely a guess.
Or, perhaps it is proof that something in the WG is defective? I'll need to show that video to Tial (email sent).
That suction wouldn't be there with the boost controller hooked up, though! On second thought, maybe it would... since it hooks to the TOP of the wastegate before the boost controller's setting is reached, so that would have to get air from somewhere, too.
The Tial's instructions show a "vent" in the TOP connection to the WG, though, when using a boost controller. Maybe that's where the air is supposed to come from?
http://www.tialmedia.com/documents/w..._wginstall.pdf
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Another thought-you can tell if the diaphragm has a hole in it by connecting the vacuum line to the side port and checking for vacuum at the top port. There should be none. However, a leaking diaphragm would probably result in too much boost rather than too little. I'm still baffled as to why there would be suction in the dump tube. If the wastegate valve were not seated properly you would essentially have an exhaust leak and there would be air blowing out, not in. It's all very queer.
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Excuse the interuption, please. But, this thread is sure scaring the heck out of me. I originally started, way back 20 pages ago, and some 380+ posts ago, what I thought would be a great how to experience. Now three words come to mind; DONT DO IT! Do all the different set-ups, ie, turbos & superchargers have these issues. I thought the biggest problem would be damaging internals, not putting it in. I only ask, because the wifie gave my the go ahead with powering up the GT. Now I'm not so sure I want to.
Anyway, thx for listinging, now back to your fun filled packed adventurous program. I'll just watch from the sidelines, at a distance.
Anyway, thx for listinging, now back to your fun filled packed adventurous program. I'll just watch from the sidelines, at a distance.
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Another thought-you can tell if the diaphragm has a hole in it by connecting the vacuum line to the side port and checking for vacuum at the top port. There should be none. However, a leaking diaphragm would probably result in too much boost rather than too little. I'm still baffled as to why there would be suction in the dump tube. If the wastegate valve were not seated properly you would essentially have an exhaust leak and there would be air blowing out, not in. It's all very queer.
And I know what you are saying... there is no air blowing out when revving up the engine. If the valve wasn't seated properly, you would think it would be blowing out.
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Another thought-you can tell if the diaphragm has a hole in it by connecting the vacuum line to the side port and checking for vacuum at the top port. There should be none. However, a leaking diaphragm would probably result in too much boost rather than too little. I'm still baffled as to why there would be suction in the dump tube. If the wastegate valve were not seated properly you would essentially have an exhaust leak and there would be air blowing out, not in. It's all very queer.
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I'm also interested in seeing Tial's reply to the email I sent showing the videos.
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V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_44.htm
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No movement of the needle at all. My wife also watched as I revved it up and the needle didn't even blip.
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Included with every Tial V44:
V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_44.htm
V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
http://www.tialsport.com/prod_wg_44.htm
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V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
The Inlet Flange and Outlet Flange were removed from the box to weld to the exhaust pipe and dump.
I used the Inlet V-Band Clamp to attach the V44 Assembly to the Inlet Flange on the exhaust pipe, and the Outlet V-Band Clamp to attach the dump to the WG.
I installed the 2 Tial Air Fittings to the WG.
I never installed anything else... if I needed to install the V44 Valve Seat, then it was missing.
I will pull off the WG tomorrow to take a look... would the Valve Seat have been loose until the clamp was tightened? or could it have been installed on the WG already without me knowing?
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Here's your list:
V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
The Inlet Flange and Outlet Flange were removed from the box to weld to the exhaust pipe and dump.
I used the Inlet V-Band Clamp to attach the V44 Assembly to the Inlet Flange on the exhaust pipe, and the Outlet V-Band Clamp to attach the dump to the WG.
I installed the 2 Tial Air Fittings to the WG.
I never installed anything else... if I needed to install the V44 Valve Seat, then it was missing.
I will pull off the WG tomorrow to take a look... would the Valve Seat have been loose until the clamp was tightened? or could it have been installed on the WG already without me knowing?
V44 Assembly
V44 Valve Seat
Inlet V-band clamp
Inlet Flange
Outlet V-Band Clamp
Outlet Flange
2 TiAL Air Fittings
The Inlet Flange and Outlet Flange were removed from the box to weld to the exhaust pipe and dump.
I used the Inlet V-Band Clamp to attach the V44 Assembly to the Inlet Flange on the exhaust pipe, and the Outlet V-Band Clamp to attach the dump to the WG.
I installed the 2 Tial Air Fittings to the WG.
I never installed anything else... if I needed to install the V44 Valve Seat, then it was missing.
I will pull off the WG tomorrow to take a look... would the Valve Seat have been loose until the clamp was tightened? or could it have been installed on the WG already without me knowing?
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I laid the WG's flange against the exhaust pipe's flange, installed the clamp, and tightened it.
There were no instructions in the WG box for me to look at, so I didn't know if I was doing it right or wrong.