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2/27/06, 06:45 PM
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the shifting is not the issue as i see it?
as for now supercharging our cars, is kinda new to everyone. (true the bottom end limits the factor for error)
were all still in the trial and error dept.
things are lookin up tho, saleen is now offering a 550 hp/ 500 ftlbs 4.6 that has a steel crank/rods/forged
pistons and a supercharger that makes its hp on 91 octane pump gas!!!
the parts are comeing that will make big, reliable hp!
good things come to thoes who wait!!!
me included....
jay
as for now supercharging our cars, is kinda new to everyone. (true the bottom end limits the factor for error)
were all still in the trial and error dept.
things are lookin up tho, saleen is now offering a 550 hp/ 500 ftlbs 4.6 that has a steel crank/rods/forged
pistons and a supercharger that makes its hp on 91 octane pump gas!!!
the parts are comeing that will make big, reliable hp!
good things come to thoes who wait!!!
me included....
jay
2/27/06, 07:45 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Route 66 @ February 26, 2006, 12:01 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Just have your honey drive and you can still play with her leg. Oh wait, never mind. What was I thinking.
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HEE HEE not a safe thing to do as she just might crash it while thinkin about something else. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img] Not at all safe for her to do that when I am driving. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]
Just have your honey drive and you can still play with her leg. Oh wait, never mind. What was I thinking.
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HEE HEE not a safe thing to do as she just might crash it while thinkin about something else. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img] Not at all safe for her to do that when I am driving. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]
2/27/06, 08:07 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(shatter @ February 26, 2006, 5:27 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The other thing to think about is usability. The GT500 is going to stand out where a "normal" GT w/ a supercharger is more stealth. Wife and I discussed this a lot and moved away from the GT500 because of two reasons: 1. can't buy on x-plan 2. going to be too worried that someone will mess with the car
So, just something else to think about. It appears that enough people have their GTs vandalized as it is, I'd die if I had a GT500 and someone vandalized it because they were jealous of such a sweet ride!
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My current GT is not very far out of my sight now and sleeps in the garage when it is not in winter storage.
Insurance will cover the damage however how long would it take to get replacement parts?
My son had Explorer stolen from his driveway last week by TWELVE year olds from the getto. He lives way out twenty miles away from the city. They drove a car full of them out to his area and dumped them off.
They were doing a gang induction ritual.
More parasites in the making. If not stealing from us they are sitting in prison with food, clothing, and shelter provided by the tax payer. NUFF SAID
The other thing to think about is usability. The GT500 is going to stand out where a "normal" GT w/ a supercharger is more stealth. Wife and I discussed this a lot and moved away from the GT500 because of two reasons: 1. can't buy on x-plan 2. going to be too worried that someone will mess with the car
So, just something else to think about. It appears that enough people have their GTs vandalized as it is, I'd die if I had a GT500 and someone vandalized it because they were jealous of such a sweet ride!
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My current GT is not very far out of my sight now and sleeps in the garage when it is not in winter storage.
Insurance will cover the damage however how long would it take to get replacement parts?
My son had Explorer stolen from his driveway last week by TWELVE year olds from the getto. He lives way out twenty miles away from the city. They drove a car full of them out to his area and dumped them off.
They were doing a gang induction ritual.
More parasites in the making. If not stealing from us they are sitting in prison with food, clothing, and shelter provided by the tax payer. NUFF SAID
2/28/06, 07:40 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GIG4FUN @ February 26, 2006, 8:59 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I am surprised a guy as smart as you asked this...There is ONLY 1 answer. Get the '07 Shelby. Hunker down and realize it NOW !!!!
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Making the correct decision is not easy at all times. Car will be number two sons when I am gone so what ever he wants I'll do.
I am surprised a guy as smart as you asked this...There is ONLY 1 answer. Get the '07 Shelby. Hunker down and realize it NOW !!!!
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Making the correct decision is not easy at all times. Car will be number two sons when I am gone so what ever he wants I'll do.
2/28/06, 10:37 PM
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forged internals + supercharger + suspension + wheels + tires + 6 speed transmission = a lot of mod$ to your GT. I think a GT500 is a better bargain, plus a three year warranty
2/28/06, 11:05 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ February 28, 2006, 9:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
forged internals + supercharger + suspension + wheels + tires + 6 speed transmission = a lot of mod$ to your GT. I think a GT500 is a better bargain, plus a three year warranty
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If you did all that to a GT (even without a 6-speed tranny), it would totally blow the doors off of a GT500 (and still cost less). The GT500 might have 400rwhp and it will weigh a lot more than a GT. I don't see it running any better than mid 12's in stock trim (if that). And if you decide to modify the GT500, well I'd bet your 3-yr warranty wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on. JMHO...
forged internals + supercharger + suspension + wheels + tires + 6 speed transmission = a lot of mod$ to your GT. I think a GT500 is a better bargain, plus a three year warranty
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If you did all that to a GT (even without a 6-speed tranny), it would totally blow the doors off of a GT500 (and still cost less). The GT500 might have 400rwhp and it will weigh a lot more than a GT. I don't see it running any better than mid 12's in stock trim (if that). And if you decide to modify the GT500, well I'd bet your 3-yr warranty wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on. JMHO...
3/1/06, 08:46 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RandyB @ March 1, 2006, 4:18 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The GT 500 will have much more than 400 rwhp, but at 4000 lbs it will need it.
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I don't see it having "much" more than 400. The highest number I have heard is 475fwhp. Even if it's closer to 500fwhp, that's still about 425 at the wheels.
The GT 500 will have much more than 400 rwhp, but at 4000 lbs it will need it.
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I don't see it having "much" more than 400. The highest number I have heard is 475fwhp. Even if it's closer to 500fwhp, that's still about 425 at the wheels.
3/1/06, 02:06 PM
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I'm guessing it will have 450-465 rwhp and continue the trend of power underrating. There was one that allegedly dynoed 489 rwhp but that was before it went through final testing for emissions and such. That is what leads me to believe it will be higher when all is said and done.
3/1/06, 04:33 PM
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I'm guessing it will have 450-465 rwhp.[/b][/quote]
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
I'm guessing it will have 450-465 rwhp.[/b][/quote]
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
3/1/06, 05:13 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ March 1, 2006, 6:36 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
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That would be awesome but everything I am reading is about 475 max. at the crank. The great thing about them is it will be easy for the aftermarket world to push them to 600/650 at the flywheel. Since they will already come with the forged stuff.
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
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That would be awesome but everything I am reading is about 475 max. at the crank. The great thing about them is it will be easy for the aftermarket world to push them to 600/650 at the flywheel. Since they will already come with the forged stuff.
3/1/06, 05:15 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ February 28, 2006, 10:08 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If you did all that to a GT (even without a 6-speed tranny), it would totally blow the doors off of a GT500 (and still cost less). The GT500 might have 400rwhp and it will weigh a lot more than a GT. I don't see it running any better than mid 12's in stock trim (if that). And if you decide to modify the GT500, well I'd bet your 3-yr warranty wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on. JMHO...
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I agree. Still, we don't know the stock boost yet I don't think. The stock ring/pinion is about 3.3 or close. So swap a pulley, add a tune, change gears and it'll move much better. and can be put back to stock reasonably easy if needed.
to make a GT into a car that goes as fast and handles as well + reliable...
$26,000 - Mustang GT base model
$ 1,500 - 18x9.5 wheels
$ 1,000 - tires
$ 2,000 - suspension + install
$ 3,500 - transmission + install
$ 6,000 - supercharger + install
$ 2,000 - engine internals + install
$ 1,000 - clutch + install
$ 1,500 - exhaust + install
$44,500
all prices estimates of course. Let's say I'm high by 2 or 3 K total. Still getting into GT500 mrsp territory, not that I could find a gt500 for mrsp this year, maybe next year.
If you did all that to a GT (even without a 6-speed tranny), it would totally blow the doors off of a GT500 (and still cost less). The GT500 might have 400rwhp and it will weigh a lot more than a GT. I don't see it running any better than mid 12's in stock trim (if that). And if you decide to modify the GT500, well I'd bet your 3-yr warranty wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on. JMHO...
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I agree. Still, we don't know the stock boost yet I don't think. The stock ring/pinion is about 3.3 or close. So swap a pulley, add a tune, change gears and it'll move much better. and can be put back to stock reasonably easy if needed.
to make a GT into a car that goes as fast and handles as well + reliable...
$26,000 - Mustang GT base model
$ 1,500 - 18x9.5 wheels
$ 1,000 - tires
$ 2,000 - suspension + install
$ 3,500 - transmission + install
$ 6,000 - supercharger + install
$ 2,000 - engine internals + install
$ 1,000 - clutch + install
$ 1,500 - exhaust + install
$44,500
all prices estimates of course. Let's say I'm high by 2 or 3 K total. Still getting into GT500 mrsp territory, not that I could find a gt500 for mrsp this year, maybe next year.
3/1/06, 05:28 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(70MACH1OWNER @ March 1, 2006, 4:16 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
That would be awesome but everything I am reading is about 475 max. at the crank. The great thing about them is it will be easy for the aftermarket world to push them to 600/650 at the flywheel. Since they will already come with the forged stuff.
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Yes, 475 is the number I have heard (thus, 400rwhp or so). But, how many people are going to Mod the GT500? And even if they do, will they be like the 03/04 Cobras, where a blower swap is needed to really push the envelope (>600rwhp). With the inevitable dealer markups, I bet you're gonna be in the $60K range then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ March 1, 2006, 4:18 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I agree. Still, we don't know the stock boost yet I don't think? The stock ring/pinion is about 3.3 or close. So swap a pulley, add a tune, change gears and it'll move much better. and can be put back to stock reasonably easy if needed.
to make a GT into a car that goes as fast and handles as well + reliable...
$26,000 - Mustang GT base model
$ 1,500 - 18x9.5 wheels
$ 1,000 - tires
$ 2,000 - suspension + install
$ 3,500 - transmission + install
$ 6,000 - supercharger + install
$ 2,000 - engine internals + install
$ 1,500 - exhaust + install
$43,500
all prices estimates of course. Let's say I'm high by 2 or 3 K total. Still getting into GT500 mrsp territory, not that I could find a gt500 for mrsp this year, maybe next year.
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Personally, I don't see a need for a tranny swap (or $2K worth of suspension), but for the sake of debate, let's go with your premise. For $43K, you'd have a GT capable of handling at least 15psi boost, and easily capable of running low 11's (if not high 10's). For $43K (plus how much dealer markup?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] ), you could get a heavy GT500 capable of mid 12's (maybe low 12's on a good day).
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
That would be awesome but everything I am reading is about 475 max. at the crank. The great thing about them is it will be easy for the aftermarket world to push them to 600/650 at the flywheel. Since they will already come with the forged stuff.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, 475 is the number I have heard (thus, 400rwhp or so). But, how many people are going to Mod the GT500? And even if they do, will they be like the 03/04 Cobras, where a blower swap is needed to really push the envelope (>600rwhp). With the inevitable dealer markups, I bet you're gonna be in the $60K range then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ March 1, 2006, 4:18 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I agree. Still, we don't know the stock boost yet I don't think? The stock ring/pinion is about 3.3 or close. So swap a pulley, add a tune, change gears and it'll move much better. and can be put back to stock reasonably easy if needed.
to make a GT into a car that goes as fast and handles as well + reliable...
$26,000 - Mustang GT base model
$ 1,500 - 18x9.5 wheels
$ 1,000 - tires
$ 2,000 - suspension + install
$ 3,500 - transmission + install
$ 6,000 - supercharger + install
$ 2,000 - engine internals + install
$ 1,500 - exhaust + install
$43,500
all prices estimates of course. Let's say I'm high by 2 or 3 K total. Still getting into GT500 mrsp territory, not that I could find a gt500 for mrsp this year, maybe next year.
[/b][/quote]
Personally, I don't see a need for a tranny swap (or $2K worth of suspension), but for the sake of debate, let's go with your premise. For $43K, you'd have a GT capable of handling at least 15psi boost, and easily capable of running low 11's (if not high 10's). For $43K (plus how much dealer markup?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] ), you could get a heavy GT500 capable of mid 12's (maybe low 12's on a good day).
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ March 1, 2006, 7:31 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yes, 475 is the number I have heard (thus, 400rwhp or so). But, how many people are going to Mod the GT500? And even if they do, will they be like the 03/04 Cobras, where a blower swap is needed to really push the envelope (>600rwhp). With the inevitable dealer markups, I bet you're gonna be in the $60K range then.
Personally, I don't see a need for a tranny swap (or $2K worth of suspension), but for the sake of debate, let's go with your premise. For $43K, you'd have a GT capable of handling at least 15psi boost, and easily capable of running low 11's (if not high 10's). For $43K (plus how much dealer markup?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] ), you could get a heavy GT500 capable of mid 12's (maybe low 12's on a good day).
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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I agree with Don. As much as I would like to see the GT500's going to the average Joe with 45 K I don't believe it for a minute. They will go to the collectors with the extra 20 K. Just like the Cobra R's did and some of the first 96 Cobra's. The guys with the big bucks will own the first years production with a couple of lucky guys out there getting one at a premium. Now for the down side. If you are lucky enough to get one will you drive it daily? In the rain? Gawd forbid in the snow. I don't think so. I have a 70 Mach 1 and 65 Vert in the garage that I can only drive 20 days a year I surely don't need another one. Just my 02$
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Yes, 475 is the number I have heard (thus, 400rwhp or so). But, how many people are going to Mod the GT500? And even if they do, will they be like the 03/04 Cobras, where a blower swap is needed to really push the envelope (>600rwhp). With the inevitable dealer markups, I bet you're gonna be in the $60K range then.
Personally, I don't see a need for a tranny swap (or $2K worth of suspension), but for the sake of debate, let's go with your premise. For $43K, you'd have a GT capable of handling at least 15psi boost, and easily capable of running low 11's (if not high 10's). For $43K (plus how much dealer markup?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img] ), you could get a heavy GT500 capable of mid 12's (maybe low 12's on a good day).
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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I agree with Don. As much as I would like to see the GT500's going to the average Joe with 45 K I don't believe it for a minute. They will go to the collectors with the extra 20 K. Just like the Cobra R's did and some of the first 96 Cobra's. The guys with the big bucks will own the first years production with a couple of lucky guys out there getting one at a premium. Now for the down side. If you are lucky enough to get one will you drive it daily? In the rain? Gawd forbid in the snow. I don't think so. I have a 70 Mach 1 and 65 Vert in the garage that I can only drive 20 days a year I surely don't need another one. Just my 02$
Scott
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ March 1, 2006, 4:31 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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some people would say the same for a GT. IF (big if) a GT500 could be had at 45k I'd have no problem using it as a daily driver and modding it at some point down the road. I'm not holding my breath though.
I think the folks with $60K+ burning a hole in their pockets would prefer to have a 500horse 'vette. I would. We'll have to wait a few months and see how it plays out.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the GT500 looks like a collector's car that hardly anyone is going to want to mod or thrash. And where's the fun in that?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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some people would say the same for a GT. IF (big if) a GT500 could be had at 45k I'd have no problem using it as a daily driver and modding it at some point down the road. I'm not holding my breath though.
I think the folks with $60K+ burning a hole in their pockets would prefer to have a 500horse 'vette. I would. We'll have to wait a few months and see how it plays out.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ March 1, 2006, 5:36 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
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I really think they will. There are just too many good parts on that engine. I think they will have a hard time keeping it from making those kinds of numbers, to be honest, unless the just neuter the thing with an ultra conservative tune. If it only makes ~400 rwhp I won't feel so bad about not getting one though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
Do you really think they'll have 530-550fwhp motor in there?
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I really think they will. There are just too many good parts on that engine. I think they will have a hard time keeping it from making those kinds of numbers, to be honest, unless the just neuter the thing with an ultra conservative tune. If it only makes ~400 rwhp I won't feel so bad about not getting one though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ March 1, 2006, 5:11 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
some people would say the same for a GT. [/b][/quote]Very true... there are many who are quite content with it staying the way they bought it (pr close to it). I'm not in that club; and neither are a lot (or most?) of the people on these forums.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RandyB @ March 1, 2006, 5:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I really think they will. There are just too many good parts on that engine. I think they will have a hard time keeping it from making those kinds of numbers, to be honest, unless the just neuter the thing with an ultra conservative tune. If it only makes ~400 rwhp I won't feel so bad about not getting one though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]How much hp did a stock 03/04 Cobra make? Something like 390 at the crank? There are a helluva lot of good parts on those cars too. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
some people would say the same for a GT. [/b][/quote]Very true... there are many who are quite content with it staying the way they bought it (pr close to it). I'm not in that club; and neither are a lot (or most?) of the people on these forums.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RandyB @ March 1, 2006, 5:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I really think they will. There are just too many good parts on that engine. I think they will have a hard time keeping it from making those kinds of numbers, to be honest, unless the just neuter the thing with an ultra conservative tune. If it only makes ~400 rwhp I won't feel so bad about not getting one though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]How much hp did a stock 03/04 Cobra make? Something like 390 at the crank? There are a helluva lot of good parts on those cars too. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ March 1, 2006, 8:08 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Very true... there are many who are quite content with it staying the way they bought it (pr close to it). I'm not in that club; and neither are a lot (or most?) of the people on these forums.
How much hp did a stock 03/04 Cobra make? Something like 390 at the crank? There are a helluva lot of good parts on those cars too. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
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I'm not sure what the average 03/04 Cobras made, but there seems to be a lot of them making 360-380 rwhp in stock form. Not bad. At any rate, you will be way ahead of the GT 500 when you get yours back together. I'm not up to date with the latest modular piston manufacturers, but the Cobra crank and Manley rods would go great with your Teksid block.
Very true... there are many who are quite content with it staying the way they bought it (pr close to it). I'm not in that club; and neither are a lot (or most?) of the people on these forums.
How much hp did a stock 03/04 Cobra make? Something like 390 at the crank? There are a helluva lot of good parts on those cars too. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
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I'm not sure what the average 03/04 Cobras made, but there seems to be a lot of them making 360-380 rwhp in stock form. Not bad. At any rate, you will be way ahead of the GT 500 when you get yours back together. I'm not up to date with the latest modular piston manufacturers, but the Cobra crank and Manley rods would go great with your Teksid block.