I have the Granatelli CAI, and so far no problems and I did notice an increase in performance. I am getting Doug's tune in St.Louis this weekend
so we will have a before and after test. I have an auto btw.

 

Looking forward to the results...

 

you tell him Doug

 

I've been just watching this thread and I'm not going to really participate in it either. But one thing bugs me about it.

Having 2 "Authorized Advertisers" of this site trading barbs back and forth about each other doesn't seem right to me.

 

I would just like to say I've known Doug going on nine months now both online and by telephone, and within those nine months, Doug has been nothing short of demonstrating how considerate, honest, and respectful he's been towards me as a person and has always taken the time to explain the principles behind timing and fuel curves and how these electronic hand held tuners provide the best performance gains for our Stangs and not once did he ever ask for a single dime from me.. So, I'll be the first to say, whoever believes that Doug would ever falsify a claim in order to keep money in his pocket is completely 100% dead wrong and I'm also sure that many of Doug's customers and most forum members, also agree that his customer service is second to none, hands down... I can also confirm that Doug has always backed every one of his claims with 100% accuracy and consistency, time and time again and as result has earned my trust and business...

 

amento that brother!

 

+ 1 million

 

Thank you T-bird, to me honesty has always been the best policy

 

Supermario: I am just like you. I drive mine everyday and wanted just a little more pep and I did not want a tune due to the warranty issue. So I went with the GMS CAI/MAF and I couldn't be more satisfied.

I have now heard that the A/F ratios are ok with the GMS as well. Of course Doug will be checking that with the dyno soon. I am awaiting the results like everyone else.

 

+1!!! Doug has always been great and has provided tunes for my various upgrades and never asked for money. I feel guilty sometimes when he gives me tunes. Let me tell you he is far from greedy! I can't imagine anyone having better customer service.

 

 

From personal experience, there's only two other's who come close and that's Brent from Brenspeed and Mike from Powerhouse Automotive... However, when it comes down to spending the most time, it's Doug hands down who has always taken the time in answering any of my technical questions regardless of how big or small they happen to be, and he always wants to make sure there's no doubts in my mind that I'm able to comprehend and understand his concepts to every one of my technical questions I happen to throw in his direction... Now that's what I call first class... As I said before, there's nobody else out there who's as considerate, honest and respectful of a person as Doug and I'll say it again, as a direct result, he's earned both my trust and my business... As for Doug being greedy is concerned, absolutely NO WAY IN HELL...

 

Supermario: I have had the GMS kit on my car for about a month, absolutely satisfied, 100%! Easy to install (keep everything loose until all assembled, then tighten it all down at once), a nice under-hood upgrade appearence wise, and it most definitely wakes up the engine! I have an A/T car with GTA's axlebacks (thanks NJ3-Ned ) and not only is the acceleration much improved, so is the exhaust rumble. I would recommend this kit, as I like you, have a limited budget (3 young ones, school tuition bills etc.) to play with. I may opt for "Doug's" tune next Spring, but I wanted improvement now. A well worth "bang-for-the-buck" upgrade.

I have not noticed any gas milage improvement, but I am sure that is because I lay into the gas every chance I get, when on the highway. Still ave speed of 80-85 on a 50 mile trip to my son's school nets me about 20-22 mpg. (with ocassional blast into triple digits) My F150 gives me about 12-14mpg on the same trip, with absolutley no "thrill" factor.

All in all, the 375.00 for the kit is well spent. I can not state if the C&L kit gives the same performance, but it does seem to need a tune.

 

Well I myself have only actually spoken with Doug once before, and have emailed a couple of times, but have usually found his posts to be informative and respectful. I have never heard anything negative from any of his customers, although I'm sure if I did a thorough search on the numerous forums there are, I would probably be able to find somebody that wasn't happy for whatever reason. As has been proven here many times, you can't please everybody.

But again, if you take a poll of actual GMS CAI users, and how they feel about their product, I'm sure you would see that almost everyone (again, can't please everybody) would say that they are happy with the noticable performance gain. And still my main question is, since everything else has been disputed and almost entirely verified, are the horsepower gains between a C&L with a canned tune, comparable to the gains with the GMS and its MAF?

Edit: AND......JR, please, what kind of material is your air filter supplier using? Is it safe? Does it filter at least as much contaminants as the factory, or better?

 

Again, I said if you advertised it a little differently it would be a very useful tool in restoring LOST horsepower due to age and contamination, I'm guessing somewhere on the CRC can it states this. It's not the Hp claims that are really in question with this or anything else being discussed in this thread, it's more in the way it is all being presented, especially to those who may not be making a purchase except for the advertising claims being made.

Me - never.... Again, I've got no dog in this particular fight, but if I'm selling MAF cleaner, then I'm advertising it as restoring lost power, not as in gaining Hp. It's semantics, but the end result is hopefully that newcomers that haven't been working on cars for the past 20 years will not have to make all the same mistakes I (we?) did when I/we were younger.

If you want to talk about claims / reality... I have half of one sidestep of our F350 coated with a chemical to restore the plastic to it's original appearance. I am skeptical of the name of it, the way in which it was offered to me, and in the price of it. But guess what - after a month of sitting outside in Florida for every single day, the treated section still is doing what the guy said, exactly (and believe me, I am the most shocked of anyone that it actually does work as advertised). And I am actually considering offering it through our website to customers since I am so impressed with its results. Will I talk with the manufacturer some more prior to offering it to clarify some claims they make regarding the composition, chemical nature, etc.? Yes. But that's what we do before we would sell it to you.

I'm not a grammar ****, but I'm going to stop you right there. If you're going to come in as a lurking troll into what is obviously a pretty warmed up thread, at least have the courtesy to introduce yourself as to who you really are, and for the sanity of everyone who got past 3rd grade please run your post through a spell-check at a minimum prior to posting. Even my 6 year old son would not have written his opening sentence in that way... This may not be Corner-Carvers, but I'm guessing that SuperMario is not your real name... If you are indeed a college student, please let us know what you scored on your last "Engrish" 101 essay. If you're not (which I think you're much too old to still be there) then why cover your true identity with such a lackluster attempt at disguising your comments? I've got a good idea who SuperMario is - anyone else care to take a guess?

Come on Doug, cut them some slack - it's all just honest mistakes, right? Please don't go muddy the waters with more facts again....

 

I just finished reading over you're dyno results Redfire... The only logical explanation I can figure about the difference between the auto and sticks is perhaps it's because the auto has the 3:31 rear end gears and the sticks come with 3:55 gears, other than that, I'm just as confused as you are... What I don't quite understand is how your dyno runs were so low? Seems to me their dynojet's calibration is way off or something because my stock runs were at 262.8 max HP. but that's more than likely due to the knock sensors adding timing because of the higher 93 octane fuel in my tank, otherwise, if I had been running 87, my stock runs would have been around 252-256 max HP Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question or anything, but is it possible this particular dynojet has a Mustang Dynometer mode, just as a Mustang Dynometer can be ran in dynojet mode? I'd ask whoever did your testing these questions because something just doesn't seem right at all, but at least you now know your A/F is safe, which I'm sure has lifted a huge burden off your shoulders...

 

All autos make less Rear Wheel HP than a manual trans, no matter the car or gears. It is because the Auto trans sucks power from the engine to run itself, there is many moving parts, friction bands, torque converter... all lose a little bit of power. Rear end gearing is taken into account on all dynos, and will have almost no effect on RWHP.

 

Well that's what I thought initially too, but like I said, they had just dynotuned an auto the day before with steeda CAI, bassani x-pipe and axle-backs, and they got 255hp. And the shop is the local tuner shop. I'll know more when I do a stock run. And check this out, while I was there and waiting, a guy came up to me and was like, "Hey, have you seen the new BOSS Mustangs?" I said, "Hrmmm, as far as I knew there weren't any "real" Boss mustangs yet, just some rebadged jobs". So he says to come on outside, and opened up his trailer. The guy was coming from SEMA, apparently they just debuted the new Boss? It was a Redfire Mustang GT with twin turbos, said the engine that was in it put down 753 HP. I got a woody.

Edit: Hmm, I just looked through all the pics someone posted on the main page and I didn't see it. The guy went on about how they "stole the show" heh. Sweet ride though.

 

Your right, guess I just didn't realize the auto's suck that much power from the engine to run itself, plus all the additional moving parts such as the friction bands and the added weight of the torque converter in which are all factors, but just didn't realize it would cause that much of a power loss especially after they had just dyno tuned an auto with Steeda CAI, Bassani x-pipe and axle-backs, and still only ended up with 255hp. I mean if this was with a canned tuner, then I could understand how they only got 255HP. but not with an actual dyno tuned vehicle... That just seems too low for even an auto with that kind of mods, and although my Stang is a stick. I really believed 277.2 max HP with just a Steeda CAI and SCT canned tuner was too low...

 

And I wouldn't have this huge cloud of doubt hanging over my head if JR had been willing to answer my technical questions concerning how his products work in a consistent, accurate and easy to understand format as Doug has... But when all you end up with are questions answered with even more questions on top of them, then of course you're going to have doubts about that person and if he was that concerned about his competition discovering his technology, he could have just requested to be contacted via e-mail or by telephone instead of sending all these mixed signals via submitting misleading and inaccurate claims...It got to the point where after he acknowledged his MAF electronics didn't alter the timing and spark curves as it relates to timing and just when I thought I finally began to understand his concepts, he then does this complete 360-degree turnaround by claiming that it does alter timing...Then he wonders why people such as myself have doubts? Think about it, it's just as Silver Horse Racing stated, the consumer has every right to fully and completely understand the concepts of the product in which the consumer is interested in purchasing...