just in case this thread gets ugly I remind everyone to respect the forum rules

 

Wow the label looks almost exactly the same!!!

 

The MAF cleaner comes from CRC for us - it is one in the same.

 

Did you have your Mustang Dyno set to "Dynojet Mode" during testing? That will clear up a lot.

Additionally, the baseline you paste into everyone's dynosheet is suspect as well. I'd suggest using a baseline where the car wasn't having issues.

 

OK, well I went in Saturday and got my car dyno'd. First off I'll say that I was surprised and a little disappointed in the difference between the sticks and the autos. When I first got there and was talking with the guys, they had apparently just had their first 05+ Auto in the day before, in which they installed the Steeda CAI and the Bassani X-pipe and axle-backs, then they dyno tuned it and they ended up with 255hp. I was like wtf, 255?

They didn't do a stock run beforehand, and as I had said earlier I wouldn't have one either since I've already got the CAI installed. They said that the stick GT's they've had in all were running anywhere from 260-265 stock, which I'm hoping everyone can agree on, at least approximately. After the pull they went on to speculate, based on the numbers theyd gotten from the auto the day before, and from mine, that baseline for the Auto is probably from 225-230hp, which sucks *** if you ask me. I had no idea there was that much difference in power between the autos and the sticks.

So anyways, we did the pull, and I ended up with 251HP. Again, I was a little disappointed, but all the guys there were going on about how no, that was really good for just a CAI and no tune. So, they got 255HP on an Auto with a steeda CAI and Bassani X-pipe w/axle-backs and dyno-tuned with a SCT. I got 251HP with a GMS CAI and Corsa axle-backs, no tune. They said the a/f looked good, but that it did take it a slight bit to adjust to the increased air right after WOT, and that a tune would take care of that, but after looking at eci's dyno I wonder, anyways it leveled out. So, the MAF does read the incoming air, and the system does adjust itself to accomodate, it isn't just tricking the ECM into thinking it's getting something it's not. I ended up with a 12.5 a/f, which is good. At this point my only remaining concern is the type of filter material used, but after all the drama I'm beginning to think if it's worth it.

I've been wanting to take my car in to get some stuff looked at, and now I have a need to know what my baseline actually is, so I'll be reverting back to stock soon, and will do another pull with full stock just so I have a better idea of what I'm gaining. It would be nice if some other users, like harley maybe, could get some dyno runs in and post your numbers here so we could get some stick comparisons. I only did one pull, and it wasn't very expensive at all, but it did feel good knowing my a/f was good after all the doubt placed.

 

I've been told to expect 20-25 less RWHP for the auto's, so your dyno seems correct. Probably around 270ish if it were a stick. A tune should bring it up higher.

It's good you heard the guys say it was good for what mods there are on your car. I have been saying all along in this thread don't listen the manufacturer.

I was told in the thread "something is wrong with my parts" since I *only* gained 17 peak RWHP, when in fact that was a good, expected, reality based gain.

 

All the dynos I've seen of a stock S197 GT auto have been in the 250-255 range. The manuals usually get around 265-270. I'm sure some others will chime in with their stock dynos.

 

It is good to hear that the A/F Ratio was ok with the CAI/MAF. I feel a little more comfortable now. I am still curious to see Doug's results. Do you know if one of the mustangs he is going to Dyno is an Automatic? I would like to see what the baserun is for a unmodified auto is.

 

hey guys, this is my first post here, bare with me please. i have been reading this thread fro a while now, i have an 06 and am looking for an intake system. the choices came down to GMS and C&L. after reading this thread it seems that everyone that has the GMS is happy with it. sure you can get all into complete dyno details but lets face it, unless ur building a dyno queen these little numbers wont make a big difference. i use my car for everyday driving and just need a little more pep. from what i have read, the gms intake customers are happy, thats all that matters, i would say. Doug starts up this thread comparing the two. he says hes making a comparison, then he goes on to pretty much bash the gms unit. almost seems like doug just wants to sell his chips. im not on here to fight or anything, im just stating what i have read. so i have this question, How many of you actually have a GMS kit and how many of you are happy with the results you got? no dyno numbers, just are you happy, did it work for you, did it do what u expected? please let me know as thread will help me decide witch kit to get. thank you.

ps. here are some facts:
1.C&L needs programmer to work = more money $500+
2.GMS DOES NOT need a programmer. = Less MONEY, witch is good for college kid on a budget, or anybody for that fact.

?3.I'm looking for a cold air kit, not a tuner, if i wanted a tuner i would order one and spend the extra money, so who is right, Doug, please explain my theory as im sure alot of people have the same question. again, doug, im not bashing you, u seem very knowladgeable in this, that is why i am asking you, if i just want a good intake system without a tuner, best bang for my buck, what do u recommend, and why?

 

That is why I will get a base dyno run as well, so I can see exactly what I'm putting down on the same dyno I did my CAI run on. So you're saying there's only a 5% difference between a stick and an auto?

 

From what I've seen. I'm a forum junkie and look at all the dyno sheets. I am by NO means an expert. I'd be very interested to see a back to back dyno with a totally stock car and one with a CAI and tune. I'm talking same day, same conditions, etc.

 

I would have to agree most stick cars make 255 to 260 on our dyno STOCK and the Auto trans starts at 230. That is 10% diff not 5% - My math actually worked out to 15% loss for stick and 24% on an auto - so 9% more

 

So much for objectivity, the longer this thread gets the more accusations.
Let's all be a little patient until the dyno results get posted next week.
There really is no sense in bickering about +/- a couple of HP. Every car stock will vary by a few HP and the same is true after mods. There are several posters here, that have a hair accross their behind for some reason. Save it for next week, if in fact the results prove that the GMS CAI is well below the claimed increases or the A/F ratio could cause problems. Then let the bashing begin if warranted, otherwise it's just smoke blowing out of a few butt*holes.

 

Douglas Studdard
BamaChips
11728 Hwy 195
Jasper, AL 35503

Yes - I found Dougs scan from SEMA - I will have to assume that Doug does not use BA2400 and BA2800 from SCT either

 

Let me just say this - We have video of most of the dyno tests and the customer is alwasy standing there while testing is performed. OVER and OVER and OVER.
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/video24.htm

 

JR: I think it would be helpful if you could briefly comment on your calibrated MAF sensor and your MAF wiring harness that comes with your CAI 410010 kit? It would be nice to hear from someone who understands the design, as opposed to those just guessing. Specifically, since it appears the MAF wiring harness is responsible for the proper communication to the ECM (for fuel table changes, and maintaining proper A/F mix ratios), what is the function of your MAF sensor and how does it differ from the stock sensor? Why are both needed? Thanks again for helping sort this out.

 

Can you explain how your baseline numbers on your Mustang Dyno would equate to around 285 RWHP STOCK on a Dynojet? Thanks.

 

First off I would like to dispell this myth, I never asked for a kit but only the transfer function information. NOR did Brenspeed. I would like a transcript of that information before you slander me about it.

While we are here let's take that word, Slander..

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–noun 1.defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander. 2.a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.


I've proven everything except for the air filters composion, what is your explaination of the 90mm claim when it's never 90mm? What about the flow numbers?

I'm here to show how you are not being truthful with the public when comparing your intake to others. If you wont address the comments in the posts quoting you then you dont have anything to say.


Thanks, Doug.

 

Mine is an auto. The CAI did what I wanted it too, looks good, and gave me some pep I didnt have. I knew I was going to get a tune though, so I drove it with out a tuner for a week, fully satisfied with the product. I then installed the tune from doug, and wow not it really breathes. I do have an auto and as long as everything goes smoothly it will be dyno'd next sunday, and custom tuned. We will definitely let you know when we have it on paper for you.

 

We would also like you to explain msully's fraudulent dyno graph.