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THANKS PETE FOR THE STICKY!

UPDATE: PICS/TESTING:

From: "Shannon Wall" <fastford@wmsracing.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: WMS-HVI05M with Ram Air [Thanks and final pics?]
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:16:06 -0600
To: "Mike" <vent_enter_search@yahoo.com>


We are trying get some good photos of ram and intake installed in a
car, maybe later this week. The ram air box won't change the dyno
numbers as car is not moving and a typical dyno fan is no where near
enough air flow. We do plan to do some on road testing and should be
able to get some real 40-100 mph acceleration numbers for stock and our
intake with ram air.

Shannon

Western Motorsports Inc
www.wmsracing.com

 

Sounds promising! I am really excited about seeing some new / better pitures of the product. The go fast number would be nice too!

 

OK, I'm a rookie on engine stuff, so I have a question. At 45 mph the intake air temp is the same as the outside temp, what about under 45? Will there be any gains in HP through 1st gear, or are we going to have wait until 2nd to see the benefits of this CAI unit?
Also, does anyone know what the temp of incoming air is using the stock airbox?
Lastly, is the main benefit of this more H.P.'s due to the temp of the incoming air, or is it due to the volume of air?
Oops, one more... normally the engine s u c k s air in... what affect does forcing it in have? Wouldn't it normally s u c k in the amount of air it needs?

 

At the speeds that we can obtain in these cars... you will never see any gains from having the air "forced" into the engine. It really needs to be compressed... aka turbo or SC.

As for the air temp. It to can make a difference. Colder air is more dense, ergo... more into the engine per gulp. More air = more power. But again, the temp difference will not show much of a change in HP if any.

One reason I like it is the comcept. Fresh air (No others have it) and the layout makes more sense.

Overall, any decent cold air kit will make a huge difference over stock provided you get a tune to really bring out the beast.

 

Great work BH U have been very busy the last few days.
Im in, but would love to see some pics when they have them.

Here's my take on it...
It's direct shot, no bends to the TB. As nbk13nw said, its no forced induction.
But...at speed, IMO...these suckers will be gulping all the air they need without any bends, and minimum restrictions. I believe that sprints from 40-110+ could possibly cause a lean code, unless tuned for it. Just a thought on my behalf...
Even without forced induction, there will be a "ram" effect for sure, it has no choice if that box is sealed.

Each car will be different. I plan to run an EGT to monitor just for these conditons, and tune from there. In the winter, we will more than likely need to add fuel.

BH, PM on the way

 

About the 95mm MAF how moded should you be if you wanted one And by the way im interested also with the group deal

 

what about it? wouldnt a fresher shot of air benefit over the stock location that draws warm air from where ever it can behind that headlight...


Well..since its breathing easier, I would assume that the HP your looking for in 1st would be there, why wouldnt it be if your breathing easier...

[quote]Also, does anyone know what the temp of incoming air is using the stock airbox?[quote]
Yes...warmer than ambient...

I would assume both...but add more air, more fuel will be needed as well...


Sure it would, but wouldnt it be easier to breathe with a straight straw, rather than a silly straw. The direct, or kinda direct shot of fresh air will only help the motor s u c k in what it needs w/ less restriction over stock, or any other CAI out there now...IMO

Well...if these are the questions keeping u from deciding on the intake, then theres probably a reason u havent had any replies.
Your asking for temp's,temps vary day to day...as U may know.I tried for you,maybe it helped...

Only 2 spots left for the 20% savings...

 

John(05GT-O.C.D),

I tried answering some of your questions, my reply is posted in the GP sticky thread. Hope it helps.

And yes, just as 05STG1 states this is what WMS found out as well. Here's a quote from their website with regard to restriction:

(The trace they are referring to is from a Mustang Dyno datalogger)

"The trace also shows vacuum present in the intake manifold, with the stock air intake in place there is considerable vacuum showing a restriction. With the WMS Intake there is virtually no vacuum meaning no restriction up to the throttle body. We did test larger versions of our mass air as well (that are available to use with custom programming) and it showed no difference in vacuum - the stock throttle body is now the restriction."

Mike

 

They are trying to do a group by for a TB, would this be a good thing to do with this CAI...check out the STICKY at the beginning of the performance forum.
I need to stay at 87 octane with all the mods that I want to do, I have to keep this in mind

 

Dave I'm in the same boat...
With 104 cents for a litre of gas now....87 octane...
115 for 91/93 would be way too crazy...

I'm sticking with no tunes and 87 octane.
Thats why this intake turns my gears.

 

Here in CT...about 2.49-2.69 for 87 and 2.69- 2.89 for 93 a gallon, these numbers would work for me if the car was not going to be a daily driver, I would really like the 93 tune, but it would not be practicle for everyday use at all

 

I found an increase of approx 2mpg with a tune. Provided you can keep your foot off the pedal. So, even a tune for 87 octane has the added benefit of using the gas you have more efficiently.

 

Well...that and some dealerships frown apon tuning...but don't mind if you throw on an exhaust and CAI

 

Ordered the intake and ram air box today for $359.20 under the TMS group purchase plan (http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=31834) that expires the end of this month .

It was approx. $40 shipping via UPS in two boxes to Northern California . . . . it'll be here next week .

Better hurry up and get yours under the plan before it's too late

 

Me too!!! Shannon is great to work with!

 

Im right behind you just got off the phone with them $359 for
intake and ram air box cant pass it up but they didnt tell me a shipping price

 

Shannon said shipping price should be around $40 to $45 for pretty much the entire United States. They have a good deal with UPS.

 

thats not bad at all

 

Mine's ordered too!! :usa: